why pick a sorcerer over a sage sorcerer?

[Zunymitshu]

aside from high charisma and choosing your own bloodline, sorcerer seems to fail in every other way. Am I missing something?

[Jupiter]

You kinda answered your own question. I went for a basic Sorcerer with arcana bloodline because I wanted high charisma for a high persuasion skill. You also get a bonded animal this way (I took the viper for another +3 in persuasion)

[Starcut]

What makes sage sourcerer better? I'm not too familiar with it.

[Zunymitshu]

Originally posted by Cyrus:

What makes sage sourcerer better? I'm not too familiar with it.

you can use int instead of charisma, it gives you a decent mage bloodline, and you get a arcane bolt that's 3+your int score that will 1 shot the starting guys no problem.

[fluxtorrent]

honestly, sage really doesnt have any huge advantages over a regular sorc, its just a modified arcane bloodline.

I'm still a little sore that we dont get a whole lot of crossblooded options.

[krule7777]

Sage Sorcerer is one of the best potential sorcerer types, though a few thoughts, different bloodlines have different skills, dragonic for example makes perception a class skill, so it's not always the perfect choice. Sylvan gives you druid type pet, so there is that, and empyreal is a wisdom caster, which means it lends potential to a mystic theurge down the road.

[fluxtorrent]

Originally posted by krule7777:

Sage Sorcerer is one of the best potential sorcerer types, though a few thoughts, different bloodlines have different skills, dragonic for example makes perception a class skill, so it's not always the perfect choice. Sylvan gives you druid type pet, so there is that, and empyreal is a wisdom caster, which means it lends potential to a mystic theurge down the road.

yes but you can sylvan and druid(feyspeaker) a theurge too, its actually an insanely good combo, and for kingmaker (pnp) ruler needs cha to begin with

[krule7777]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

Originally posted by krule7777:

Sage Sorcerer is one of the best potential sorcerer types, though a few thoughts, different bloodlines have different skills, dragonic for example makes perception a class skill, so it's not always the perfect choice. Sylvan gives you druid type pet, so there is that, and empyreal is a wisdom caster, which means it lends potential to a mystic theurge down the road.

yes but you can sylvan and druid(feyspeaker) a theurge too, its actually an insanely good combo, and for kingmaker (pnp) ruler needs cha to begin with

Which is why I went paladin first play through, but apparently from what others who have tested it are saying, your ruler's charisma has no effect in the game on your kingdom. Your kingdom's advisors and buidings have the most effect.

[Zunymitshu]

Originally posted by krule7777:

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

yes but you can sylvan and druid(feyspeaker) a theurge too, its actually an insanely good combo, and for kingmaker (pnp) ruler needs cha to begin with

Which is why I went paladin first play through, but apparently from what others who have tested it are saying, your ruler's charisma has no effect in the game on your kingdom. Your kingdom's advisors and buidings have the most effect.

can you pick someone as an advisor? The entire reason I picked a sorcerer was to have a high charisma.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by Zunymitshu:

aside from high charisma and choosing your own bloodline, sorcerer seems to fail in every other way. Am I missing something?

bloodlines the bloodlines are main reason to pick a sorcerer... example a fey sorcerer makes a rather crazy enchanter, do to the +2 to dominate person and monster, on top of all the other feats you can get.

[Starcut]

Originally posted by Zunymitshu:

Originally posted by krule7777:

Which is why I went paladin first play through, but apparently from what others who have tested it are saying, your ruler's charisma has no effect in the game on your kingdom. Your kingdom's advisors and buidings have the most effect.

can you pick someone as an advisor? The entire reason I picked a sorcerer was to have a high charisma.

You pick your advisor and assign roles in your kingdom to your party members. It's not really based off your characters stats.

[Zunymitshu]

Originally posted by Cyrus:

Originally posted by Zunymitshu:

can you pick someone as an advisor? The entire reason I picked a sorcerer was to have a high charisma.

You pick your advisor and assign roles in your kingdom to your party members. It's not really based off your characters stats.

what's a good character to play through the game with? I just started my playthrough as a sorcerer, after hours of debating what character to play, and wiped in my first "non prologue" /scripted fight.

[Starcut]

Melee based characters will have an easier time in the beginning but honestly you should play what you like because by mid-end game sorcerers are crazy powerful.

You could go for Eldrich Knight and start with some fighter levels to make things easier if you want to cast spells still, also the Eldrich Rogue(?) is good as well as Arcane Trickster, starting with rogue levels for an easier time.

[Weaver]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Originally posted by Zunymitshu:

aside from high charisma and choosing your own bloodline, sorcerer seems to fail in every other way. Am I missing something?

bloodlines the bloodlines are main reason to pick a sorcerer... example a fey sorcerer makes a rather crazy enchanter, do to the +2 to dominate person and monster, on top of all the other feats you can get.

That mostly! (Yeah I'm a Fey Sorcerer as well :p)

All bloodlines & archetypes have different Arcana bonus & free spells every 2 levels starting from 5

As said Fey, but also Infernal, Snake & undead have good bonuses for Enchantment, Dragons have crazy damage bonus for elementals spells, abyssal is good for summoning, and celestial help you pick up some cleric like abilities.

Then some of them gives you access to spells that are not on the Sorcerer' list and wouldn't be available otherwise.

[ADAMBOMB]

I think I'm understanding now... I can't get a familiar as a sage sorcerer, but if I go with basic sorcerer and choose arcane bloodline, then I get a familiar... right?

[kaiyl_kariashi]

the only differences between them are:

Sage: uses int instead of charisma (also +2 bonus to Knowledge (Arcana)), and gets ability to blast enemies with a magic bolt a few times per day.

Arcana: adds +1 DC to spells modified by metamagic (excluding heighten spell) and the arcane bond feature (Familiar or Bonded Object).

they otherwise get identical benefits.


While not an explicit bonus for Sage, the higher int (due to focusing on it) will result in more skill points compared to the average sorcerer build who tends to pump charisma instead.