Womb of lamashtu spoiler question

[Angelus Dark "Kingbreaker"]

Is there a way to save kesten garess?

[Ninja T Monty]

I just tried to have Harrim cast Raise Dead on Kesten and it didn't consider his corpse a valid target for the spell. I know the spell works because I used it on a dead party member a few minutes prior to trying it on Kesten. I suppose the game doesn't consider him "heroic" enough to bring back to life. It would be pretty cool if you could revive him after he falls and then there's some unique dialog but w/e.

[aeoncs]

Tbh, him dying is way more fitting than the workaround of going to the Womb just for a single fight and then heading to the capital - that seems like a huge oversight.

Traveling all the way to the Womb and back takes days, how the hell is anyone still alive in the capital? Doesn't really make sense. Jhod and the guard can defend against several Hydras, Manticores, Owlbears, Wyverns etc. for days but Kesten and his militia get cucked almost immediately by a single Owlbear and a few goblins? xD

[Angelus Dark "Kingbreaker"]

Yeah i agree that it is illogical, But kesten is really important as a warden. So the kingdom suffers without him

[Gogopher]

my run thru i was slow to get to him but yet everyone jhod incluced lived...so no idea what the issue it maybe it was ur choices in dialogue prior to leaving to save him

hint: complex game...more than one outcome for many of YOUR choices...most likely no two playthrus will result in same outcomes...end hint

[Ben]

It ***IS*** possible to save them both, but I don't think it's supposed to be. Here's how I did it:

1) Make sure you are not even lightly encumbered, and that no party member is suffering from encumberance.

2) The instant Kesten heads for the Womb of Lamashtu, follow him. At the very beginning of the area, you will help his men fight some monsters, and then you will defend him against an enormous owlbear. Once you finish this battle and speak to him, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.

3) Head back to the capital, and DON'T stop to rest. You will likely be fatigued (or even exhaustted) when you get back, and that will make your battles in the streets of the capital all the more difficult. But you can still reach Jhod in time.

I was able to save them both, and both are still available as advisors and take part in story events. But oddly enough, I was still prompted to construct a hospital "in honor of Jhod's sacrifice." Some parts of the game may think Jhod is dead, since I saved Kesten "first." I believe that the game tries to force you to save one or the other by using a very strict timer, but they accidentally made the timer generous enough that it's possible to reach both of them before either timer expires.

[Siegdarth]

Saving both without asking K. with a LG character is considered a Glich.

[Trayen]

I was able save them both, even when I went to the capital first. I only spoke with Hyland after the fights in the capital. I missed seeing Jhod and went to the tomb where Kesten had just started his fight with the goblins and owlbear. Managed to save Kesten, rested then went on with the rest of the tomb.

After the tomb, I headed back and saw Jhod and spoke with him. Both lived.

[Archer]

How to keep both kasten and johd alive while avoiding game related bugs :

Option A : be Lawful align and insist for kasten to go back to the capital then go to the capital first as well (no bugs or issued involved with this , its the proper way intended to save them both and if your not lawfuly align i suppose 1 of them should be dead)

Option B : if your not lawfuly align but want to save them both go to capital first clear everything once johd appears (right after the massive owlebear fight) leave the capital without talking to him go to the wumb of lamshtu kasten and his members will be alive clear the goblins and the bear talk to him avoid the ''i hope the capital will manage without us'' dialog line sense it may cause bugs cos it suggests johd is dead even tho he isnt then after exhausting all chat lines excluding the one that mentions the capital exit the wumb and go back to the capital and talk to johd exhust all text and leave then go back to the wumb the ''cut scene'' will trigger then talk to kasten so he will once more say you arrived right in time(this is to correct the assumption that he should've died by the game) this time dont talk with him about anything else just select the [leave] option immediately and continue to complete the wumb zone.

I know there are other ways to go about this but this one avoids most related bugs also if you dont talk to johd and go to the wumb (rather then wumb first then run to johd) you can rest as kasten will only be dead if you talk to johd versus if you go straight to wumb johd will be on a timer and the game will consider him dead even if you save him afterwards so by going Capital -> Wumb -> capital -> wumb you avoid the time deadline on saving either and by not using the dialog about the capital with kasten you avoid the game thinking johd should be dead however it may still occur if you finish wumb and then go back after finishing wumb to the capital instead of doing what i suggested becos if you dont talk to johd before finishing wumb the game will assume he must have died(johd has 2 death triggers 1st trigger is Time deadline if you went to wumb first and the second is if you finish wumb without talking to him now in the second trigger he wont actually die if you saved him and didnt talk to him but the game will asume that he must be dead wich leads to some bugs even if he remains in your capital and everything seems fine its just best to go back and talk to him before finishing wumb to avoid this).
that back and forth walking avoids most bugs if anyone has a better way feel free to post it :)

[dwarfpcfan]

You can save both Jhod and Kesten. Go to the womb first, save Kesten/kill the owlbear then leave, go to your town and save Jhod. Leave, go back to the womb and finish the womb. Both advisors survive and that buse sized owlbear become a carpet in your inn.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by Angelus Dark "Kingbreaker":

Is there a way to save kesten garess?

or you know don't send him there to begin with...

[J4n1]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Originally posted by Angelus Dark "Kingbreaker":

Is there a way to save kesten garess?

or you know don't send him there to begin with...

Pretty sure the idiot insists on walking to his death if you're not of lawfull alignment.
Well, good riddance, i'll go save my capital.

[Archer]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

You can save both Jhod and Kesten. Go to the womb first, save Kesten/kill the owlbear then leave, go to your town and save Jhod. Leave, go back to the womb and finish the womb. Both advisors survive and that buse sized owlbear become a carpet in your inn.

doing this works HOWEVER the game still thinks jhod is dead (by that i dont mean he vanishes or something i mean some text related things suggest he died and some events related to him dont happen that is exactly why i elaborated in detail how to avoid the major bugs and save both in my post)

[dwarfpcfan]

Originally posted by Archer:

doing this works HOWEVER the game still thinks jhod is dead (by that i dont mean he vanishes or something i mean some text related things suggest he died and some events related to him dont happen that is exactly why i elaborated in detail how to avoid the major bugs and save both in my post)

This hasn't happened in my case, none of the conversations or text say he died. You even get a throne room event where both Jhod and Kesten show up after and the topic is Kesten wants to convert the jail where you did the vivisection into a guard barrack while Jhod wants to convert it to a hospital and they are asking you to choose which.

I'm thinking this that happened to you might just be another bug.

[Archer]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

Originally posted by Archer:

doing this works HOWEVER the game still thinks jhod is dead (by that i dont mean he vanishes or something i mean some text related things suggest he died and some events related to him dont happen that is exactly why i elaborated in detail how to avoid the major bugs and save both in my post)

This hasn't happened in my case, none of the conversations or text say he died. You even get a throne room event where both Jhod and Kesten show up after and the topic is Kesten wants to convert the jail where you did the vivisection into a guard barrack while Kesten wants to convert it to a hospital and they are asking you to choose

I'm thinking this that happened to you might just be another bug.

i'v encountered several different bugs (not necessarily apparent in the near future but rather later this isnt my first run i'v spent over 300 hrs in the game) my simple suggestion is after checking this specific matter in every which way possible running into many different bugs i decided to post the 2 ways that i found that will prevent any other bugs or issues down the line in the hopes of helping people that have does issues out

[Bucho]

Originally posted by Archer:

How to keep both kasten and johd alive while avoiding game related bugs :

Option A : be Lawful align and insist for kasten to go back to the capital then go to the capital first as well (no bugs or issued involved with this , its the proper way intended to save them both and if your not lawfuly align i suppose 1 of them should be dead)

Option B : if your not lawfuly align but want to save them both go to capital first clear everything once johd .....
that back and forth walking avoids most bugs if anyone has a better way feel free to post it :)

I will definitely try to replay it your way. Just to honor this post. You are the man!