wererat help

[AlBoulcan]

ok i got into a cave and i got lvl 5 group of 6. i am fighting these wererats. any tips on how to fight them? they also got an alchemist that throwing bombs so my party goes down quick.
any help is apreciated

[old.tyran]

that combat is turning me crazy , It makes me want to find a way to re write the monster stats to the one in the original rpg .

the problem you're finding is caused by many facts
1 there are 3 wererats in the cave , the alchemist on the bottom that throws bombs and cast displacement on himself (half on the hits on him miss automatically ) the one above that usually is hidden and have still some "honest" stat , and the second one below , that is hidden too and boy THAT IS BROKEN ! have a +15 to hit , it CRITS AT 15/20 and if it hits it gives you a -4 CA and -4 to hit , that is making me wondering that it should have 10 rogue level to do that .
then it's worth to notice that the wererat have DAMAGE REDUCTION 10/silver which means that all damage they takes are lowered by 10 points if you're not using a silver weapon and a "honest" CA of 21 that makes it hard to hit .
also the 2 rogue wererat are using a double shortsword+1 with lighting enchantments that hits like a greatsword not counting the constant sneak attack and criticals.

and it's not all , they have a +6 attack bonus , which means that every turn they attack TWICE , and they even ambush you making 3 attack the first round and if you move around them they even strike an attack of opportunity

I can easilly say that a party of 5 is underlevelled for that fight since the enemy stats in this game are so buffed .

but you can find a way through anyway

blind the lower rat to stop hitting so bad,
use silver weapon ( they doesn't have so many hp )
don't stay close to the entrance , the alchemist will bomb every single one of you and dispell its displacement buff

[AlBoulcan]

there is a trap outside the entrance that ring a bell to warn them i think. but i can't do anything about it with my bard. i constantly fail. i thought that would give me some edge on jumping on the alchemist 1st. but dunno. i tried everything with my current setup, or almost everything. i will give a try with blinds this time. hope it helps. thanks for the help.

[shaki92]

Just stock on CC spells, you can keep them CC'd whole fight without much problems.

[Myst]

Hold person works on them. Assuming it lands.

[Randomz]

I beat this fight at level 4 with a party of 6 people. I used a potion of shield of faith on both Amiri and Valeri and had Valeri set to fight defensively. I had Octavia use Enlarge on Amiri and had bless on everybody as well (my character was an eldritch archer magus). I started the fight by moving Valeri along the south most wall and Amiri along the northern wall (This is IMPORTANT so that the rats do not get FLANKING, which means they get NO SNEAK ATTACK). After that trigger the bardic performance and use either Hideous laughter, or Color Spray on the bomb rat while Amiri goes to town on the first rat rogue along with any spells you may have. Valerie should be able to tank away one of them by herself indefinitely. After Amiri takes down one have her rage and charge at the other one. She has fantastic damage while enlarged because of her unique weapon. It may take a bit of save scumming at lower levels but definitely doable. Just keep your party spread out from bombs and make sure none of your party members get flanked. Good luck!

[AlBoulcan]

thanks for tips. But i play on custom difficulty with everything on normal (closer to hard difficulty), but hold person didn't help much, i tried buffing my tanks and sent my dpsers to alchemist but they also got raped. i had my priest in the middle far from everyone else and was area healing. I managed to kill 1 of those 3 before my whole group goes down. Btw how can i tell if my weapons are silver? Also i think i haven't got the right spells for this encounter atm and so i decided to skip this fight all along and come back and higher lvl since after more than 10+ i was keep failing. Thing is that the bomb rat does a lot of damage and i think i will need some fire protection scrolls before i even consider do this later on.

[Qphelia]

One dps with fire resistance buff from cleric straight to mage. Kill rogue rats with others. Use crowd control spells.

[OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO]

This fight is extremely easy if and ONLY IF you bring a RUNE DOMAIN cleric. You can kill the two rats at the entrace in literally seconds as long as you spam all your rune casts on them immediately upon entering the area. Once you have those two down, the alchemist is a joke with a full party of 6 waiting for attacks of opportunity every time he throws.

I mean, it's probably easy with a wizard or sorc too, but it really depends on you having NON-melee sources of damage.

[omegazeda]

took me 10 tries to finally WIN! use hold person spell on the mobs m8

[Blue]

Heh, I went into that cave at lvl 2. Bad idea. I came back at lvl 5 and one-shotted it.

The main thing is just to cast protection from energy - fire (communal). It's a lvl 3 cleric spell, so if your cleric is lvl 5 you can cast it. It gives everyone 10 fire resist, so you can mostly ignore the bombs from the alchemist.

Aside from that, just pre-buff (bless, shield, bard song, etc). You're mostly immune to the bombs, so just concentrate on killing the two melee rats quickly. Then spread around the alchemist and whack him.

[AlBoulcan]

thanks again for the tips. i will try some of these at 1st chance. Have to rule a barony atm and to busy to bother with those rats :D

[itwillbefuntheysaid]

Spam aoe
they have evasion
so use acid and alchemists fire

[atholk]

All your melee taking the Outflank feat is golden here.

[fefnir3284]

resist fire and acid from harrim... that negates 90% of the damage. i only had 5 of them so one had to take damage, aka valerie, so I just sent her in first to get all agro, turned on defensive fighting, and spammed healing her. i won :D

[fefnir3284]

and yeah team feat ROCK. more ac, more saves, more to hit, more d6 damage. omg they are so sick.. even a free attack with your opportunity... sheesh