Adamantine

[SpiralRazor]

"An arrow could be made out of Adamantine, but a quarterstaff could not"

Uh no....who is writing this stuff???

An arrow consists of a small piece of metal, attached to a much larger piece of wood, with some vaning. You could indeed make "arrows" out of a single piece of adamantium, with a magic composite bow to shoot them but it would largely be pointless. Doable yes. Same with Bolts.

A quaterstaff is generally considered to be a long piece of straight wood, thats usually been fire hardened. No one IRL made them out of iron or steel because they would weigh a ton, and it would have been better to make swords or what have you. Then again, no one IRL had the strength of a hill giant on a human frame, but i digress.

With the game setting in context, There is absolutely nothing preventing a smith, aside from the inordinant expense and the weight of it, from making a quarterstaff out of adamantium. The material for a quarterstaff doesnt matter in the slightest, its the shape and dimensions that count.

18k in this game for a suit of +1 adam plate mail...Id bet a quarterstaff made out of the same stuff would be much less expensive to produce.

[xkuripuri]

"Adamantine is extremely strong and favored by weapon and armor smiths alike for its ability to cut through solid barriers with ease and endure heavy blows.

Weapons fashioned from adamantine have a natural ability to bypass hardness when sundering weapons or attacking objects, ignoring hardness less than 20.

Armor made from adamantine grants its wearer damage reduction of 1/— if it’s light armor, 2/— if it’s medium armor, and 3/— if it’s heavy armor. Adamantine is so costly that weapons and armor made from it are always of masterwork quality; the masterwork cost is included in the prices given. Thus, adamantine weapons and ammunition have a +1 enhancement bonus on attack rolls, and the armor check penalty of adamantine armor is lessened by 1 compared to ordinary armor of its type. Items without metal parts cannot be made from adamantine. An arrow could be made of adamantine, but a quarterstaff could not."

Straight out of the official rulebook. Quarterstaves in Pathfinder aren't metal, as you said, and are just a big stick of wood, really. Ergo, it could not be adamantine because it has no metal parts.

[thainen]

Paizo wrote it[i.imgur.com], that's who :)
Don't forget, it's a super complex rule system, not just lore description. Sure, you could make a metal rod, but it wouldn't count as a quarterstuff for the purpose of many mechanics that assume that they are always wooden. If you could make a metal quartersaff, then lots of things elsewhere would stop making sense, like the spell changestaff that turns a staff into a treant.

[starkmaddness]

Originally posted by thainen:

Paizo wrote it[i.imgur.com], that's who :)
Don't forget, it's a super complex rule system, not just lore description. Sure, you could make a metal rod, but it wouldn't count as a quarterstuff for the purpose of many mechanics that assume that they are always wooden. If you could make a metal quartersaff, then lots of things elsewhere would stop making sense, like the spell changestaff that turns a staff into a treant.

You make the quarterstaff adamantine shod. That way it is still mostly wood, and it would make for a vicious adamantine reinforced treant. Because who doesn't want to fight a walking tree with adamantine fists and teeth?

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

With the game setting in context, There is absolutely nothing preventing a smith, aside from the inordinant expense and the weight of it, from making a quarterstaff out of adamantium. The material for a quarterstaff doesnt matter in the slightest, its the shape and dimensions that count.

18k in this game for a suit of +1 adam plate mail...Id bet a quarterstaff made out of the same stuff would be much less expensive to produce.

An arrowhead is made of metal, a quarterstaff is not. Special materials exchange the basic material of the same type. That's why you can't have Adamantine Hide Armor. Or Mithral Leather Armor. As well why there is no Dark Leaf Full Plate or Voidglass Clubs.

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

Originally posted by thainen:

Paizo wrote it[i.imgur.com], that's who :)
Don't forget, it's a super complex rule system, not just lore description. Sure, you could make a metal rod, but it wouldn't count as a quarterstuff for the purpose of many mechanics that assume that they are always wooden. If you could make a metal quartersaff, then lots of things elsewhere would stop making sense, like the spell changestaff that turns a staff into a treant.

You make the quarterstaff adamantine shod. That way it is still mostly wood, and it would make for a vicious adamantine reinforced treant. Because who doesn't want to fight a walking tree with adamantine fists and teeth?

If it's still mostly wood, then it's not mostly Adamantine, so it doesn't get the bonus of Adamantine. Same reason you can't just slap a Mithral smiley on your Full Plate and expect it to take effect.

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by xkuripuri:

"Adamantine is extremely strong and favored by weapon and armor smiths alike for its ability to cut through solid barriers with ease and endure heavy blows.

Weapons fashioned from adamantine have a natural ability to bypass hardness when sundering weapons or attacking objects, ignoring hardness less than 20.

Armor made from adamantine grants its wearer damage reduction of 1/— if it’s light armor, 2/— if it’s medium armor, and 3/— if it’s heavy armor. Adamantine is so costly that weapons and armor made from it are always of masterwork quality; the masterwork cost is included in the prices given. Thus, adamantine weapons and ammunition have a +1 enhancement bonus on attack rolls, and the armor check penalty of adamantine armor is lessened by 1 compared to ordinary armor of its type. Items without metal parts cannot be made from adamantine. An arrow could be made of adamantine, but a quarterstaff could not."

Straight out of the official rulebook. Quarterstaves in Pathfinder aren't metal, as you said, and are just a big stick of wood, really. Ergo, it could not be adamantine because it has no metal parts.

You entirely missed the point...wooshhhhh....quarterstaves are whatever you want to make them out of. Common sense.

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by thainen:

Paizo wrote it[i.imgur.com], that's who :)
Don't forget, it's a super complex rule system, not just lore description. Sure, you could make a metal rod, but it wouldn't count as a quarterstuff for the purpose of many mechanics that assume that they are always wooden. If you could make a metal quartersaff, then lots of things elsewhere would stop making sense, like the spell changestaff that turns a staff into a treant.

It would make perfect sense...you need a wood quarterstaff to turn it into a treant...thats it.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

You entirely missed the point...wooshhhhh....quarterstaves are whatever you want to make them out of. Common sense.

Because...you want them to be this way? It's a wooden weapon, period. Wooden weapons are made of wood. Adamantine is not wood. No idea what you are trying to achieve here. That's like arguing that a character with 22 Strength should lore-wise be able to shoot spears from his bow instead of arrows. Yeah, he can, but he won't, that's not how the game works.

[SpiralRazor]

A Quarterstaff was a kind of pole-weapon that evolved out of the practice of stick-fighting which had been prevalent in European martial arts. It was used by the civilians, often in formal duels as well as people travelling within the country who used it for personal protection. Thus, the weapon was mostly used for personal or sport purposes. Quarterstaves were not exactly effective in serious combat, unless the opponent was also armed with a quarterstaff. If, however, the opponent wielded a more lethal weapon such as a sword or a spear, the quarterstaff proved of little value even in warding off attacks.
Quarterstaff Weapon Definition

Quarterstaff as a weapon referred to a staff made out of hardwood which can vary in length between 6 to 9 feet. In some cases, the staff were tipped with iron on either ends. The name quarterstaff derives from “quarter” and “staff”, Since a quarterstaff was made by the good-quality, hardwood of a tree cut down into quarters, it consequently earned its name. It is also claimed that it derived from the fact that quarterstaff was used for close-quarter combat.
QuarterStaff Weapon

Image of a medieval QuarterStaff Weapon
Quarterstaff Weapon History

Stick fighting and the use of sticks in formal and informal fights was prevalent in England by the 15th century. This probably led to the use of quarterstaff as a proper weapon which was cheap to produce, extremely easy to wield and came with an amazing versatility of usage. A person could bludgeon the enemy with it, beat him with it, even pierce him with the sharpened iron tips at the ends. By the 16th century, a quarterstaff was a popular weapon all over England and many innovations were used in creating diverse types of Quarterstaves.



You can make the weapon out of whatever you want....wood was plentiful and cheap. If you have the money, you can get yourself a fighting stick made out of graphite with a thin steel core. Its still a bo staff...changing the material doesnt change the weapon.

[CaoLex]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

You entirely missed the point...wooshhhhh....quarterstaves are whatever you want to make them out of. Common sense.

Then it's will be steel or aluminium quarterstave, not simple quarterstuff that always wooden iconic weapon in D&D and it's children.

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by Murf_This!:

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

You entirely missed the point...wooshhhhh....quarterstaves are whatever you want to make them out of. Common sense.

Because...you want them to be this way? It's a wooden weapon, period. Wooden weapons are made of wood. Adamantine is not wood. No idea what you are trying to achieve here. That's like arguing that a character with 22 Strength should lore-wise be able to shoot spears from his bow instead of arrows. Yeah, he can, but he won't, that's not how the game works.

It does, obviously..Ginormous Sword.

In your example, what you are describing is a bow made for a Storm giant. mwk composite bow. Storm Giant Str is around 39. Fires arrows that could be used as human spears0. You get your toons str up to the 30s and voila...hell, you could even mount is crosswise as an arbalest. Easily scales up and down.

Case closed. Next.

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by Yan Zhaoge:

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

You entirely missed the point...wooshhhhh....quarterstaves are whatever you want to make them out of. Common sense.

Then it's will be steel or aluminium quarterstave, not simple quarterstuff that always wooden iconic weapon in D&D and it's children.

Again, it doesnt change the fact that the material doesnt matter. I can make a sword out of wood, or a pistol out of plastic, it doesnt stop it from being them being swords or pistols.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

Originally posted by Murf_This!:

Because...you want them to be this way? It's a wooden weapon, period. Wooden weapons are made of wood. Adamantine is not wood. No idea what you are trying to achieve here. That's like arguing that a character with 22 Strength should lore-wise be able to shoot spears from his bow instead of arrows. Yeah, he can, but he won't, that's not how the game works.

It does, obviously..Ginormous Sword.

In your example, what you are describing is a bow made for a Storm giant. mwk composite bow. Storm Giant Str is around 39. Fires arrows that could be used as human spears0. You get your toons str up to the 30s and voila...hell, you could even mount is crosswise as an arbalest. Easily scales up and down.

Case closed. Next.

Ginormous Sword gives a -2 penalty to attacks, since it's 1 size category larger than human weapons.

And the Large Composite Bow would still fire arrows, not spears. As in - you won't be able to enchant them the same way you could spears. Because those would be two weapons. And you can't fire one weapon with another weapon.

The case IS closed, because you just want to change the rules and that aint going to happen.

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by Murf_This!:

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

It does, obviously..Ginormous Sword.

In your example, what you are describing is a bow made for a Storm giant. mwk composite bow. Storm Giant Str is around 39. Fires arrows that could be used as human spears0. You get your toons str up to the 30s and voila...hell, you could even mount is crosswise as an arbalest. Easily scales up and down.

Case closed. Next.

Ginormous Sword gives a -2 penalty to attacks, since it's 1 size category larger than human weapons.

And the Large Composite Bow would still fire arrows, not spears. As in - you won't be able to enchant them the same way you could spears. Because those would be two weapons. And you can't fire one weapon with another weapon.

The case IS closed, because you just want to change the rules and that aint going to happen.

Man, you just do not get it....., as i said..woooshh..

[Naughty Mouse]

I think the original poster forgets that Quarterstaff is the definition for a Natural Weapon in the form of a long stick. Some characters cannot handle metal items very well, may it be due to their gods or their class. Mages dont respond very well to metal, druids dont like it. So you can make a weapon that looks like a quarterstaff out of metal, but it would not be a quarterstaff for these classes that have these restrictions.

Some things dont have to make exact sense, it is a fantatsy world game.

[thainen]

I understand that rules are Serious Business, but let's stay civil, and not resort to personal attacks.