Dragon disciple purpose?

[Mercer]

I finally hit level 6 on my sorc with black dragon bloodline and have been looking into picking up Dragon Disciple. But from what I see it seems bugged (perhaps?) - it has like 6 Dragon Bite attacks on different levels (and description of that attack mentions only lvl 2 and 6), and has dragon transformation greyed out, while taking it off from sorc class. It also makes you go from lvl 1 all over again so you can (re-?) gain stuff you got from 5 sorc levels so far. Overall it seems like you trade 5 levels of sorc for Dragon Bite and +2 to str and int (which is not that huge?).

Or am I understanding something terribly wrong?

Also can anyone explain Dragon Claws ability to me? How am I supposed to use it as a caster?

[Balkoth]

When you multiclass, it stacks on your previous class, this includes Dragon Disciple. You don't lose anything.

That said, unless you're going for Melee, there's not any reason to go Sorc -> DD

[Mercer]

Originally posted by Balkoth:

When you multiclass, it stacks on your previous class, this includes Dragon Disciple. You don't lose anything.

That said, unless you're going for Melee, there's not any reason to go Sorc -> DD

Hmm, I'm sorry, I lack ecperience with DnD 4e or similar (yeah, I played like once through nwn) so I'm really confused with all this system. I did play plenty of BG1/2 BG1/2EE, and that system I'm way more familiar with.

What I meant by losing levels is once you start leveling DD - you start as DDlvl1 and Sorc lvl5 (in my case at least). And it seems like all perks from Sorc that are relevant to your bloodline (so like all dragon stuff) gets moved to DD class, which you are currently lvl 1 at.

I will save and try it and report here what I got.

Also can you go a bit more into detail on how could I go about making melee DD build? It sounds cool, but I didn't think it's possible after having sorc as your baseline for first 5 levels - I have like 10 Str, 12 Con, 12 Dex, 10 Wis, 18 Int, 18 Cha atm.

[Graygan]

Yep... pretty much the best way to work Dragon Disciple is 4 levels of monk, 1 level sorc....

1st Level Monk
2nd Level Sorc
3-5 levels Monk
6-15 levels Dragon Disciple
16-20 levels Monk

Basically you lose out on a lot of awesome monk stuff, but you get some awesome dragon stuff. You'll end up doing roughly the same damage. Your AC won't be as good, but that's what spell buffs are for. Your magic won't be great, but that's what your attacks and damage are for.

Personally, I prefer a straight up Sorc or straight up Monk. I like all the abilities they get along the way while levelling up.

That said... A winged dragon monk is very fun to play.

[Mykell]

Im building a DD melee but ive got 2 levels of paladin, 2 of scaled fist monk, 1 sorc and next level ill start on DD with some EK levels to finish it all off.

Im not sure you can pull it off with how you have your stats. My Int is 10 to help boost str/dex to 16.

[Mercer]

Ok, so here is what it looks like: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1525369980

All stuff from Sorc (majoirty) seems to move to DD.
Dragonkind for some reason greyed out.
In addition to what I lost from sorc tree and which was moved to DD tree I get:
Natural armor +3 cumulative
+4 Str (leaving me at 14 str without investing into Str which is not too bad I guess? Can make it 18 easily and above)
Blindsense (which confuses the hell out of me - what is this and how it works and I didn't even know stuff it is altering)
All Sorc blodline perks past Fear greyed out. Does it mean I won't get them or something? No idea.
Dragon Bite x5 - no idea why there is 5 of those
Breath weapon
+ 2 Con and Int
Arcane spellcasting - what is that? What does it do? Allows to cast spells or smth? But I already can...
Bloodline feats on 2 - 5 - 8 instead of 7 - 13 - 19 (so I guess it's good?)

After leveling up 1 lvl in DD it seems like I keep all dragon bloodline spells/abilities I've learned so far from sorc progression - I have Dragon Resistance listed twice now, Resist energy (even tho it is again in DD at level 5).

Can anyone try to explain what's going on there? :D

Oh, also, what feats should I get? So far I got toughness, Combat Casting, Spell Penetration, Metamagic (Empower Spell). Although I didn't find out how Metamagic works and what am I supposed to do with it.

[Rieverre]

I just found something weird going on with my Scaled Fist/Dragon Disciple. For some reason the Bite attack doesn't require me to use Grow Claws, it just appears as part of the attack chain. Is this working as intended or a bug?

[Mercer]

With amount of bugs game currently has sounds plausible that it's just another bug.

[soulcalibur2007]

The issue to me is that they mucked up the classes. They gave the Draconic bloodlines Dragonkind when you're supposed to get things like permanent Wings at those levels. Where you're SUPPOSED to get the ability to transform into a Dragon is the Dragon Disciple line. But from the looks of it in Kingmaker, DD is designed to buff your Dragony stats.

Also the Dragon Blooded Sorcerer is designed that you need a STR score. Instead of CHA/DEX you run CHA/STR/CON. The point is that you blaster caster fire/frost/acid/electricity damage from range. Then if an enemy moves to attack you in melee you pop Mage Armor/Grow Claws and rip thier face off. Later you forgo that and instead just turn into a dragon and then rip thier face off.

[Hobocop]

Dragon Disciple still gives you Dragonkind I and II as inherent abilities specifically for your dragon color at the appropriate DD levels of 7th and 10th, but the level track UI doesn't show it. Same with Wings at DD 9.

[Averagedog]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Dragon Disciple still gives you Dragonkind I and II as inherent abilities specifically for your dragon color at the appropriate DD levels of 7th and 10th, but the level track UI doesn't show it. Same with Wings at DD 9.

Are the wings actually draconic and visible on your character model?

[Kerrovitarr]

Sadly, but this is simple buff with no any visual. I really miss my cute little wings from NwN1 RDD.

[Averagedog]

Originally posted by Kerrovitarr:

Sadly, but this is simple buff with no any visual. I really miss my cute little wings from NwN1 RDD.

... sad, and dissapointing. It gives me no hope for future DLC races for this game if the devs don't appear care about the little details for the classes and prestige classes they have made.

[Yaldabaoth]

Originally posted by Averagedog:

Originally posted by Kerrovitarr:

Sadly, but this is simple buff with no any visual. I really miss my cute little wings from NwN1 RDD.

... sad, and dissapointing. It gives me no hope for future DLC races for this game if the devs don't appear care about the little details for the classes and prestige classes they have made.

And how would they have dealt with all the clipping issues? Both in graphical terms as well as how do you fit dragon wings through your armor? Logically, you would need tailormade armor for you and can't wear anything else. They just went with the most productive way of implementing it.

[Kerrovitarr]

Yeah... that backpack on main character will definitely serve as hindrance to wings.

[davide.forcina]

Dragon Disciple is not a real "caster" class... you should build it for melee combact with some spell to buff himself.

My DDisciple i (lv8) the main melee beater of my party and he have very high AC, HP and ST!

I min max it this way:

STR 18
DEX 14
CON 16
INT 7
SAG 7
CHA 17

(It's an angelkin Aasimar)

2 Lv of paladin
2 lv of Scaled Fist Monk
1 Lv of Black Draconic Sorcerer

Then Dragon Disciple!

Every time you boost your CHA you improve your AC, all the TS and "to hit" with smite Evil!
Natural armor + dodge + braces of armor + rings and necklace... he have 29AC. Almost 30 STR and 110hp!

Before every fight i can cast shield, and enlarge person on himself!
A true beater... and in a few levels he will become a Dragon!


Don't play him like a caster, use his hight strenght + dragon style to punch, bites and cut your enemies!