Infernal Bloodline

[Mouseless]

Is this bloodlines arcana ability (+2 DC to all charm spells) completely useless?
Can't find any spells with the charm subschool.

[Veivo]

Sleep, hypnosis?

[Mouseless]

Both are Compulsion as far as I know, but I must admit I can't find a place where they write subschools in Kingmaker, so I'm going by what I know from normal pathfinder rules.

[Orange]

That seems to be the case... Due to the lack of information, we've to assume the spells are like the pen and paper pathfinder, which would make all of the game's enchantments part of the compulsion subschool

Making that arcana indeed worthless

[Vegetable Man]

That's absurd. I was looking forward to making an infernal sorcerer too... Major oversight. And as far as I know, you can't see the subcategories for spells in-game. They should have made fey and inferal bonuses simply school based (enchantment).

[Memnarch]

Sleep is garbage

[Weaver]

You should quickly test it, there was a post with the spell list from Beta & as far as I know all the enchantment seemed to be from compulsion.

As the subschool is not showing, it could be that they have not been implemented and the bonus works on all Enchantment.

I'm playing Fey bloodline, and with focus + greater focus I have Daze DC 18 from start, that alowse to almost completely shut down the worst opponents for the whole fight at the start.

Problem is sleep & hypnosis are bad (if you can't swap spells that is), so I'm stuck with daze as my main enchantment until lvl 4 (or 5 if hideous laughter is the only at lvl 2 as I'm getting it for free at lvl5)

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by JAG:

Sleep, hypnosis?

Sleep is not a charm it's a compulsion, and charm spells appear to be missing from the game so yes it appears useless.

Originally posted by IxiFoori:

Sleep is garbage

Sleep is actually one of the most POWERFUL 1st level spells in pen and paper UNFORTUNATLY the devs opted to NOT put in coup de grace because of this they kinda made the sleep and deep slumber spells worthless...

Edit: to explain further in pen and paper if you attack a helpless creature you can make a coup de grace a sleeping target IS considered helpless you get an auto crit followed by a fort save vs death to instantly kill them. Making sleep insanely powerful at low levels, which is infurating that its missing from the game.