Exotic Weapon Proficiency Feat not Available

[Baron Matticus Von Godslobber]

My rogue character is increasing to 3rd level and gains a feat, and I want to take Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Estoc. Unfortunately, Exotic Weapon Proficiency does not appear in the list of available feats. Is this a bug or by design?

[MrMuse]

Same here..and I'm not even familiar with whether it's a difference between 3rd and 5th edition rulesets. I just know i always dual wielded exotics in neverwinter nights.

[kensw]

Do Rogue's have martial weapons ability? Pretty sure you must have that before you can take Exotic. sorry limited knowledge of DD rules

[MrMuse]

Originally posted by kennethsw:

Do Rogue's have martial weapons ability? Pretty sure you must have that before you can take Exotic. sorry limited knowledge of DD rules

No they dont..and I was wondering the same.

[Baron Matticus Von Godslobber]

Thanks. It definitely makes sense, but I can't find any rules in D&D/Pathfinder stating that Martial Weapons Proficiency is required in order to take Exotic Weaponds Proficiency. The only prerequisite I can find is base attack +1. Some sort of definitive answer would be helpful.

[MrMuse]

Originally posted by Baron Matticus Von Godslobber:

Thanks. It definitely makes sense, but I can't find any rules in D&D/Pathfinder stating that Martial Weapons Proficiency is required in order to take Exotic Weaponds Proficiency. The only prerequisite I can find is base attack +1. Some sort of definitive answer would be helpful.

If you look at exotic on another character...i.e. valerie. You will see martial in green at the bottom of the description..so yes you need it. I took dual weild instead..its more useful than exotic so early I now have +6 +6 attack from dex bonus and my guy is leaving behind ribcages after a sneak attack

[SertanDoom]

The feats list seems odd at times. It seems to have choices your character can't use blanked out but still there- basically some feat choices are hidden by what only look like blank spots on the list and it may be possible to scroll down until you see the feat you are seeking. It's actually easier to find stuff you're looking for by having the game also show "unsuable feats" :(

[MrMuse]

Originally posted by SquidBob:

The feats list seems odd at times. It seems to have choices your character can't use blanked out but still there- basically some feat choices are hidden by what only look like blank spots on the list and it may be possible to scroll down until you see the feat you are seeking. It's actually easier to find stuff you're looking for by having the game also show "unsuable feats" :(

Agreed. The filters are wonky in general too. And what the game thinks is good bad or neutral is highly subjective and pointless...if you wanted to follow those builds then you may as well have used autolevel.

[GreyFox]

No people just don't play actual DnD/Pathfinder properly. They probably play with crap Dms that let them take that as a lvl 1 rogue but you need to have martial weapon prof first....always been that way.

Funny hearing people talk about game balance when they don't actually play right/as intended then a game like this comes out and you see.

[Delta Centauri]

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

No people just don't play actual DnD/Pathfinder properly. They probably play with crap Dms that let them take that as a lvl 1 rogue but you need to have martial weapon prof first....always been that way.

Is it, because the feats only prerequisite is 1 BAB?

[Off-Suit Nines]

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

No people just don't play actual DnD/Pathfinder properly. They probably play with crap Dms that let them take that as a lvl 1 rogue but you need to have martial weapon prof first....always been that way.

Funny hearing people talk about game balance when they don't actually play right/as intended then a game like this comes out and you see.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/exotic-weapon-proficiency-combat-final/
You have no idea what the base game is like clearly, so don't criticize the people who actually know what they're talking about.

If you were trying to be funny though, good job.

[MrMuse]

Originally posted by Delta Centauri:

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

No people just don't play actual DnD/Pathfinder properly. They probably play with crap Dms that let them take that as a lvl 1 rogue but you need to have martial weapon prof first....always been that way.

Is it, because the feats only prerequisite is 1 BAB?

It isnt..as I said...look at valerie who starts with exotic and you see martial in green at the bottom.
But there are plenty of indescrepancies between the game and pathfinder rules. For example rogues are meant to be able to use all bows up to compound and they can't and shortswords in the game are slashing when they should be piercing.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/#simple-light

[Off-Suit Nines]

Originally posted by MrMuse:

Originally posted by Delta Centauri:

Is it, because the feats only prerequisite is 1 BAB?

It isnt..as I said...look at valerie who starts with exotic and you see martial in green at the bottom.

He's talking about the TT game, not the video game. He's doing that because the guy he was quoting said something hilariously incorrect and was in need of education.

[Delta Centauri]

Originally posted by MrMuse:

Originally posted by Delta Centauri:

Is it, because the feats only prerequisite is 1 BAB?

It isnt..as I said...look at valerie who starts with exotic and you see martial in green at the bottom.

Sorry if it wasn't clear, I was talking about the tabletop where you don't need the martial prof feat, just 1 BAB.

[MrMuse]

Originally posted by Delta Centauri:

Originally posted by MrMuse:

It isnt..as I said...look at valerie who starts with exotic and you see martial in green at the bottom.

Sorry if it wasn't clear, I was talking about the tabletop where you don't need the martial prof feat, just 1 BAB.

Yep..and that's how it SHOULD be..since exotic for a rogue is not worth 2 feats. Also, as in previous crpgs like nwn, the size rule on offhand has no effect in this game - only the weight class.

So just LOL @ "No people just don't play actual DnD/Pathfinder properly. They probably play with crap Dms that let them take that as a lvl 1 rogue but you need to have martial weapon prof first....always been that way.

Funny hearing people talk about game balance when they don't actually play right/as intended then a game like this comes out and you see."

This is what happens when people get confused between 5th edition and 3.5 and games come out as a mish mash of both. Although I have to admit that in general they have done a great job anyway.

*edit* I have a few problems with how weapons work in D&D in general..since most swords (with the exception of rapiers and epees) are, in reality, used for both slashing AND piercing and some of the heavier ones should also have an amount of bludgeoning. But then that would be a total mess in terms of differentiation. Also that size rule that never works in computer games anyway..makes very little sense given that it's much harder to get in close with a smaller weapon much less if you have a larger one in your other hand. So smaller weapons should just provide more attacks rather than be easier to hit with as they are faster to move. And dodge evasion and deflection should be applied more to larger weapons than just accumulating a general AC bonus. To put it another way smaller weapons should have a +roll against those skills by comparison.

This would create a rock paper scissors dynamic because a lumbering brute with a greatsword and full plate is almost never going to hit an athletic person in light clothing and (discounting that small blades were actually used to fit through gaps in armor) a tiny pig sticker isn't going to put a dent in such a brute.