Why is this not actually turn based?

[Hillbilly_Dave]

I've never played Pathfinder tabletop but I have played DnD and I know Pathfinder is based on 3.5 ed DnD. Why is this game not actually turned based like a proper tabletop RPG should be? The real time turned based thing makes the game more difficult than it should be. 3 Second into combat and party members are down and I've no idea what the hell happened lol because it all happened at once and I'm not capable of following over a dozen party members and NPCs all moving and attacking at the same time.

[zeus2525]

Turn Based System

I hope this post gets seen by the creators. I dont know why this game got by beta testing without the pause combat system being brought into question. There should be at least an option to enable a turn based combat mode. Every time I try to buff my party, AI moves the melee characters out of range. Also, I like to strategize movements and use techniques that are almost impossible to do with the pause format. There is a reason tabletop games are turn based. Please change this.

[GuiltyGod]

It should have been a turn based game since the tabletop game is...

[starkmaddness]

While I agree that we sorely need a turn based D&D/Pathfinder game, expecting them to change this game into turn-based after release is not very realistic.

[xmd1997]

The game is meant to be a spiritual succesor to the IE games which were all Real Time With Pause, despite the fact that D&D was also turned based.

[garr_71]

Go into options, turn on all pause options and it feels like turn based for those who prefer it like that. You say you cant strategize movement etc, but i actually do exactly that using this...

[Balkoth]

The developers said they wanted a faster combat system because there's a lot of combat in the game. So they went with the real-time-with-pause option instead.

[Kashre]

I don't know what all of these people are talking about. This is a turn based game. Everything is based on D&Ds 6 second combat round. Where in the 6 seconds you can make your attack/spell/whatever depends on your initiative roll. If you don't have multiple attacks you wont get to make another action until after the 6 second period is over.

By default it starts the next round automatically, which is a wierd design decision imo, but if you go into the option and turn on "pause at end of round" it is almost literally indestinguishable from a "wego" style turn based system. You don't even have to use any of the other combat pause options.

[LS]

@zeus2525
Yes,Without a doubt, that's right!
Have a look to The Temple of Elemental Evil, that D&D Combat System is outstanding!
RTWP is not suitable to represent the Rules and relationships,
But,a Switch to enable Turnbased Combat, is a pleasant dream that will not come true.

After the success of Games like the last two XCOM, Devinity Original 1+2, I do not know why the developers are so afraid about a "Turn Based by Design System".

By RTWP, All actions are executed more or less simultaneously. That is a significant difference
to a real Turnbased System.

If at least it would be possible to slow down the combat like in POE2, it would be a little better.

Everything else the developers have done great, it's a pity.

Best
LS

[zeus2525]

Originally posted by garr_71:

Go into options, turn on all pause options and it feels like turn based for those who prefer it like that. You say you cant strategize movement etc, but i actually do exactly that using this...

I tried that, but then there are so many pauses and you dont even know why. You want a pause if a trigger happens, but to figure out what that trigger is...did an enemy join combat? Did someone cast a spell? Who knows?

[zeus2525]

Originally posted by Balkoth:

The developers said they wanted a faster combat system because there's a lot of combat in the game. So they went with the real-time-with-pause option instead.

The problem with that is, then the computer won the game, not me. I DM a game and I throw in a lot of combat, but I don't just tell my players what happens. I let them control them.

[TE | Frank Dark]

Good QUestion.
I would also prefer a good real turn based game.
But they switch to real Time pseudo turn some time in development

Maybee to atracted a wither playerbase.

from my view. it made the game worse to play for tactic players

[areveas]

Because Baldur's Gate (and other classics) did it real time and now everyone else wants to make "Remember Baldur's Gate?" the game.

[Hillbilly_Dave]

Makes me long for the old Fallout games. Proper turn based combat.

[Cuddly Beast]

Because it is not turn-based.

[Hillbilly_Dave]

Originally posted by Cuddly Beast:

Because it is not turn-based.

A game based on a turn based combat tabletop RPG that otherwise plays like an electronic version of said tabletop RPG should be turn based though.