RP dilemma: Jaethal in a good party [spoilers]

[Z3R0]

I'm having something of dilemma regarding Jaethal. So far she has proven to be more loyal than the 'good' Tristian (just killed Vordakai). My CG Aasimar Inquisitor is having serious pangs about Jaethal's presence. While the MC is pretty tolerant as a follower of Ceydan Cailean (sp?) and has managed to 'redeem' Regongar and kinda sorta restrained Nok Nok, Jaethal hasn't really presented such opportunities. OTOH, there hasn't been a whisper of dissent or betrayal, or any sign of disloyalty, other than some snide commentary. She is also very open about a very dark past.

So from an RP perspective is there any reason for a good character to keep her around? Yes, it awesome to send her and a team of skeletal champions into a Cloudkill for some lolz, and she's been surprisingly loyal to an obviously good liege lord, but she seems unrepentantly evil with no redeeming characteristics. Other than loyalty, that is.

[Corridian]

She is much more loyal than the asshat Tristian. I kill him every single time and keep Jaethal. She is great either way you choose to do it, either the really bad way or just bad way. Keep Jaethal. A King or Queen must value loyalty over personal ideological beliefs practiced by their servants. She is a far better servant than that ♥♥♥♥ Tristian. So unless you want to keep him around as your androgynous arm candy, kill that ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Stink Bug]

Originally posted by Bananaman:

I'm having something of dilemma regarding Jaethal. So far she has proven to be more loyal than the 'good' Tristian (just killed Vordakai). My CG Aasimar Inquisitor is having serious pangs about Jaethal's presence. While the MC is pretty tolerant as a follower of Ceydan Cailean (sp?) and has managed to 'redeem' Regongar and kinda sorta restrained Nok Nok, Jaethal hasn't really presented such opportunities. OTOH, there hasn't been a whisper of dissent or betrayal, or any sign of disloyalty, other than some snide commentary. She is also very open about a very dark past.

So from an RP perspective is there any reason for a good character to keep her around? Yes, it awesome to send her and a team of skeletal champions into a Cloudkill for some lolz, and she's been surprisingly loyal to an obviously good liege lord, but she seems unrepentantly evil with no redeeming characteristics. Other than loyalty, that is.

Without saying too much, she IS listening to what you say during her quests.

[Kurosu]

From a RP perspective you can say you are trying to set her on a straight path. Thanks to being chaotic good you can justify that . I had to no such luck with my LG Paladin where I had to pretend I wasnt one to keep her around .

Jaethal is indeed awesome especially compared to Tristian. She also gives good Kingdom advices as an Advisor while Tristian does not .

I cant say much without spoiling but lets say that Jaethal's final quest has a lot of outcomes.
And a VERY important tip : bring her to Tristian's final quest and Tristian to hers. Also do them in that order.

[InEffect]

For the good party you kick out all the characters with good in their alignment and go. Everything 'good' is this game is a backstabbing, stealing a-hole, while evil is reliable and will go through hell with MC without a second thought.
Jaethal is just discriminated due to her body choices in an intolerant pathfinder society.

[Kurosu]

Originally posted by InEffect:

For the good party you kick out all the characters with good in their alignment and go. Everything 'good' is this game is a backstabbing, stealing a-hole, while evil is reliable and will go through hell with MC without a second thought.
Jaethal is just discriminated due to her body choices in an intolerant pathfinder society.

Completely untrue Only 1 out of the 4 companions with good alligment betrays you. Ekun Linzi( except one tiny exception) and Octavia never do , neither does Kalikke actually if we count the DLC I dont know why are lying by claiming otherwise

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

Completely untrue Only 1 out of the 4 companions with good alligment betrays you. Ekun Linzi( except one tiny exception) and Octavia never do , neither does Kalikke actually if we count the DLC I dont know why are lying by claiming otherwise

Linzi steals from you, ekun buggers off on his lame crusade without even as much as a note, Octavia is just a nutjob who burns her own mother alive without a second thought, Kalikke has a personality of a turnip, so yeah that's one 'good' companion who doesn't backstab you in any way.

[Kurosu]

Originally posted by InEffect:

Originally posted by Kurosu:

Completely untrue Only 1 out of the 4 companions with good alligment betrays you. Ekun Linzi( except one tiny exception) and Octavia never do , neither does Kalikke actually if we count the DLC I dont know why are lying by claiming otherwise

Linzi steals from you, ekun buggers off on his lame crusade without even as much as a note, Octavia is just a nutjob who burns her own mother alive without a second thought, Kalikke has a personality of a turnip, so yeah that's one 'good' companion who doesn't backstab you in any way.

Olivia only burns her mother alive if you do the EVIL choice in her previous quest and CHANGE her alligment. Tell things as they are , not how you personally interpent them. I would reply about the rest as well , but whats the point of arguing agaist a person that makes stuff up ?

You are entitles to your opinion as everyone , but at least dont misinform the OP or the rest of the community.

[NamelessOne]

He didn't make stuff up... It's all there. The good characters are mostly one bad decision away from a fall or betrayal, or hard coded to screw with you. The evil characters can be redeemed and don't betray you.

Think of evil characters like Amos from the Expanse. Not a good guy, but you know where you stand with him.

[dulany67]

Jaethal isn't (E)vil, more like just evil. She is utterly selfish about her own existence. But she's also lawful with no overarching ambitions.

So for me, it's not so much about good or evil as lawful or chaotic.

[Z3R0]

My good MC actually built the first goblin quarters to reward Nok Nok and his buddies (I.e., keep her thumb on them) and just got a "Problem" event to deal with Lamashtu worship. Being CG my Inquisitor is all about freedom and personal choice, unless those choices infringe on someone else's rights. Not sure how that's gonna play out. Ideally the goblins will learn to keep their religion to themselves, and not have daily human sacrifices.

But so far the evil companions have proven redeemable, or at least willing to keep their darker impulses to themselves. Not sure what the deal with Tristian is (no blatant spoilers, please) but he definitely is not acting in a manner consistent with 'good'. He's already betrayed us once. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Time to get some answers and/or good ol' fashioned vengeance....

[把光荣属于俄罗斯]

You can change her alighnment ( Redeem her) close to the end of game. dunno if its spoiler or not.

[Z3R0]

@dulany67 Have you had a chat with her about some of the stuff she did back in her elven homeland. Definitely Evil with a capital 'E', and not a trace of remorse. It's pretty obvious why Uragotha (sp?) singled her out. At least in the past, she's committed heinous acts.

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Bananaman:

@dulany67 Have you had a chat with her about some of the stuff she did back in her elven homeland. Definitely Evil with a capital 'E', and not a trace of remorse. It's pretty obvious why Uragotha (sp?) singled her out. At least in the past, she's committed heinous acts.

Judging from her unwavering loyalty to the baron(ess) the elves have themselves to blame. She's loyal and reliable so long as it goes both ways.

[Uzkin]

Tristian is the most depraved and evil out of all the companions. He's a liar, coward, betrayer, and a mass murderer. He's a deranged hypocrite who scolds the baron for even the slightest perceived misdeed whilst himself having willingly participated in and contributed to countless, literal, genocides throughout the centuries (a practice which he keeps on doing during his "service" under the baron, as well).

It is always a pleasure to finally end his wretched existence at the end of the Abandoned Keep.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by Bananaman:

@dulany67 Have you had a chat with her about some of the stuff she did back in her elven homeland. Definitely Evil with a capital 'E', and not a trace of remorse. It's pretty obvious why Uragotha (sp?) singled her out. At least in the past, she's committed heinous acts.

I guess that judgement is about your character, really. I was LN. Do I really care what she did in the past if she is now a steadfast companion and no danger (except with her sharp tongue) to those around us? How do you judge evil intent when no evil acts present themselves?