About the rapier change

[DarkOne]

Estoc, Tongi and Rapier were counted as light weapons. This reduced the damage these weapons did with Power Attack and made characters unable to hold them with two hands. Resolution: they are no longer counted as light weapons, but Estoc and Rapier are still affected by Weapon Finesse and similar abilities in exactly the same way. Only characters who have a rapier, tongi or an estoc as an offhand weapon will suffer any penalties.

So for a dex based character, level 4 thug/rest in vivi with focus on dual wielding rapiers, will this change do anything ?

I don't understand the part about the offhand.

[Lethe]

since they arent light you will now get -2 to attack though dont quote me on that.
to see the difference just equip 2 mundane light weapons and then 2 mundane rapiers

[Marcos_DS]

Well since Rapier isn't light, dual-wielding them means a -4/-4 penalty to hit (while wielding rapier+light weapon off-hand only has -2/-2 penalty to hit)

[DarkOne]

So it's a nerf to dual-wielding rapiers ?

With all the feats, will dual rapiers have less hit chance then dual daggers ?

[Marcos_DS]

Originally posted by afkassassin:

So it's a nerf to dual-wielding rapiers ?

With all the feats, will dual rapiers have less hit chance then dual daggers ?

Well, its a fix to work like it does in official Pathfinder ruleset (from P&P) but effectvely yes. Dual sword, dual axe, dual rapier etc. have less to hit chance than dual dagger, sword+dagger, sword+short sword etc. (general rule: light weapon in off-hand).

[nym_moondown]

I was so surprised that I could use dual rapiers with no addition penalty! Now let's go rapier and kukri! It's also more elegant as a style XD