Thinking of getting this or Kingdom Come

[Dad]

Hey!

Im thinking of getting this or KCD, but was wondering if the DLCs for this is a must to enjoy the game?
Fallout 1 and 2 are some of my favorite games, aswell BG, but was also wondering if theres walls of texts in this?

[midori]

if you don't like to read why are you playing RPGs? Lol.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

Check out isthereanydeal.com to see where to get the cheapest cd that you can use to redeem games on steam :)

[dukftuf]

Both are swell games worth owning. Kingdom Come: Deliverance feels super real, like you are living and breathing in Europe in the days of bows and swords and milkmaids. It takes patience and hard work to acquire skills to harness the previously mentioned gear- but it's a game built with caring hands.

Pathfinder: Kingmaker is also challenging, It holds your hand a bit less, and there is more strategy involved here with the Kingmaking parts of the game. It's much more fantasy oriented, where KC sticks to a more historically realistic simulation-like approach. It owes it's lineage more to D&D and high fantasy,

Both offer a huge amount of things to do and are extremely good bargains for what you get. Both games have quite original approaches to what they try to do, and both wildly succeed.
You really can't go wrong, as long as you enjoy a challenge and have an education that included reading.

[Rhaeem]

Originally posted by Dad:

Hey!

Im thinking of getting this or KCD, but was wondering if the DLCs for this is a must to enjoy the game?
Fallout 1 and 2 are some of my favorite games, aswell BG, but was also wondering if theres walls of texts in this?

Get Kingdom Come, it is much less frustrating and you will reload your save A LOT less.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Dad:

was wondering if the DLCs for this is a must to enjoy the game?

The DLCs are nice to have and add some enjoyable new quests, classes and companions, but they are 100% optional.

[Dad]

Thank you everyone, how much of the Kingdom management is the game? I really enjoy community management in games, which was why I was intressted in this , that and a good rpg !

[Rhaeem]

Originally posted by Dad:

Thank you everyone, how much of the Kingdom management is the game? I really enjoy community management in games, which was why I was intressted in this , that and a good rpg !

Dude, trust me, this is a very frustrating experience. Is it a good RPG? Yes, but you will have much more fun with Kingdom Come.

[jsaving]

Kingmaker asks the player to think, read, plan, and strategize MUCH more than other CRPGs. Some people like that and some don't. If you do, then you won't find yourself reloading much and might well see Kingmaker take its place among your all-time favorites. But if not, you should do yourself a favor and go with Kingdom Come, which is also entertaining but asks much less of the player.

[dukftuf]

I don't find Pathfinder: Kingmaker frustrating in the least. It requires thought, patience and planning, yes. It's a brilliant design that really "puts you in the shoes" of being a ruler. Very few RPGs actually do this. Some pretend to. I think that is what upsets some of the complainers here....the "thinking and planning" simply isn't for everyone.

[Zzyl_tsw]

Never played kingdom come, but check this perhaps if you did not see it (or did not find a better deal)
https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/killer-bundle-18

you get the game + 2 DLC + some other games (Gladius and shadow Tactics have decently good comments) for 8 €

I do like PFK a lot. Just be aware there is no "indepth" in-game tutorial, so it is really not easy for the new player (because there are so many things to know and be aware of, while information is not easily accessible. Example; just creating your MC among 48 classes, without knowing exactly what they bring or easy way to compare them is quite a task ,) )

[Rhaeem]

Originally posted by dukftuf:

I don't find Pathfinder: Kingmaker frustrating in the least. It requires thought, patience and planning, yes. It's a brilliant design that really "puts you in the shoes" of being a ruler. Very few RPGs actually do this. Some pretend to. I think that is what upsets some of the complainers here....the "thinking and planning" simply isn't for everyone.

In general all RPGs require that in some level, some more, others less. And in many situations Kingdom Come will also ask a bit of that, is not an RPG that allows you to jump in the middle of a group of enemies like a madman. The problem for me is that a lot of times Pathfinder is rigged against the player. Even dice throws, which are suposed to be random, seem VERY suspicious sometimes. So my frustration does not come from having to plan and etc, it comes from no matter how many plans and strategies I try, I still get nowhere.

I don't know about the kingdom management part, because I am struggling to finish the first chapter. Maybe my opinion will change when I can actually play that part of the game.

[dukftuf]

Originally posted by Rhaeem:

Originally posted by dukftuf:

I don't find Pathfinder: Kingmaker frustrating in the least. It requires thought, patience and planning, yes. It's a brilliant design that really "puts you in the shoes" of being a ruler. Very few RPGs actually do this. Some pretend to. I think that is what upsets some of the complainers here....the "thinking and planning" simply isn't for everyone.

In general all RPGs require that in some level, some more, others less. And in many situations Kingdom Come will also ask a bit of that, is not an RPG that allows you to jump in the middle of a group of enemies like a madman. The problem for me is that a lot of times Pathfinder is rigged against the player. Even dice throws, which are suposed to be random, seem VERY suspicious sometimes. So my frustration does not come from having to plan and etc, it comes from no matter how many plans and strategies I try, I still get nowhere.

I don't know about the kingdom management part, because I am struggling to finish the first chapter. Maybe my opinion will change when I can actually play that part of the game.

The early couple of levels are certainly the hardest, but most RPGs either cheat and GIVE you a level or two for free, or, are deadliest in the early levels. Part of the problem is learning the ropes of how combat functions and how to best deal with it. Do you play the combat turn based, or real time? I play this turn based myself.

[Rhaeem]

Originally posted by dukftuf:

Originally posted by Rhaeem:

In general all RPGs require that in some level, some more, others less. And in many situations Kingdom Come will also ask a bit of that, is not an RPG that allows you to jump in the middle of a group of enemies like a madman. The problem for me is that a lot of times Pathfinder is rigged against the player. Even dice throws, which are suposed to be random, seem VERY suspicious sometimes. So my frustration does not come from having to plan and etc, it comes from no matter how many plans and strategies I try, I still get nowhere.

I don't know about the kingdom management part, because I am struggling to finish the first chapter. Maybe my opinion will change when I can actually play that part of the game.

The early couple of levels are certainly the hardest, but most RPGs either cheat and GIVE you a level or two for free, or, are deadliest in the early levels. Part of the problem is learning the ropes of how combat functions and how to best deal with it. Do you play the combat turn based, or real time? I play this turn based myself.

But that goes for most RPGs too, earlier levels are more complicated because you have less resources to be creative, use different strategies etc. Don't remember any game "giving me" a level, other than, you know, the level you gain after the tutorial part, which is present in this one too.

Turn based, I don't think I could cope with this game only playing real time. I had no problems with the real time combat of Pillars of Eternity, but PFK is much more difficult.

[Shakajolt]

Hadn't heard of KCD, but it looks a lot better than kingmaker, especially if you don't want a lot of reading. Kingmaker doesn't suffer from walls-of-text syndrome the way Planescape: Torment does, but it still has a lot of "click through each of these 7 dialogue trees so you don't miss anything".

Kingmaker also requires a lot of metagaming/build guide for anything above easy, because the devs suck at balancing. Look up some of the more in-depth reviews (positive or negative, doesn't matter, as long as they actually describe the game properly).

[jjs82xx]

Originally posted by =NK= Col. Jack O'Neil:

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I have both KCD and PK. They are very different games; and I very much enjoy both of them. PK is more a planning/thinking man's party-based RPG. Whereas KCD also takes planning/preparation; but is more a First/Third Person Combat (FPS, but medievalized, and allows third person view).

Both (IMO) are very, very good games.

I've reloaded PK a few times, due to poor planning or distasteful outcomes.

I've reloaded KCD many, many times; due to fat-fingering in combat, leading to an instant "game over." I reloaded KCD probably 30 times, just to get past the prologue.