Question about race ability

[Eldrin]

Tiefling has a "Motherless" bloodline that says you get an extra bite attack.

If i make a build around dragonkind spell. Will i make an extra bite attack then aswell? Dragonkind already gives you a bite attack, does that mean i will make two bite attack per round?

Dragonkind I says You also gain one bite (1d8), two claws (1d6), and two wing attacks (1d4).

Does that mean i would make two bite attacks, two claw and two wing?

[InEffect]

Forms/animals get a set number of non-iterative attacks, unless it's one attack. Then they get number of attacks according to the BAB of the user. This means no extra bites and haste doesn't add extra attacks either.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by InEffect:

Forms/animals get a set number of non-iterative attacks, unless it's one attack. Then they get number of attacks according to the BAB of the user. This means no extra bites and haste doesn't add extra attacks either.

So if i understand while in dragon form i wont benefit form haste or that bite attack? Good to know.

What do you mean number of extra attacks according to bab? If i am a sorc then at level 12 my bab would be 6 and 1.

If i use dragonkind I does that mean i then make 1 bite, two claws, 2 wings attacks and +2 extra of something?

[jsaving]

It would be really weird if you could shapechange away from the tiefling form that gives you a bite attack but then still receive it in your new form.

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Eldrin:

So if i understand while in dragon form i wont benefit form haste or that bite attack? Good to know.

You will get speed increase and AC, but no extra attacks

Originally posted by Eldrin:

What do you mean number of extra attacks according to bab? If i am a sorc then at level 12 my bab would be 6 and 1.

If you turn into a form that has only one attack, like a wolf it will get extra attacks according to your bab, same as any other weapons. Forms in pathfinder add to casters stats, not replace them.

Originally posted by Eldrin:

If i use dragonkind I does that mean i then make 1 bite, two claws, 2 wings attacks and +2 extra of something?

Don't remember off the top of my head the list of dragon attacks, but you will get exactly what's on the tin and nothing more.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by InEffect:

Originally posted by Eldrin:

So if i understand while in dragon form i wont benefit form haste or that bite attack? Good to know.

You will get speed increase and AC, but no extra attacks

Originally posted by Eldrin:

What do you mean number of extra attacks according to bab? If i am a sorc then at level 12 my bab would be 6 and 1.

If you turn into a form that has only one attack, like a wolf it will get extra attacks according to your bab, same as any other weapons. Forms in pathfinder add to casters stats, not replace them.

Originally posted by Eldrin:

If i use dragonkind I does that mean i then make 1 bite, two claws, 2 wings attacks and +2 extra of something?

Don't remember off the top of my head the list of dragon attacks, but you will get exactly what's on the tin and nothing more.

Ok i think i understand, if it only has 1 attack it can get more from bab.

If it can already do more then 1 then it will not get extra attacks.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by InEffect:

Originally posted by Eldrin:

So if i understand while in dragon form i wont benefit form haste or that bite attack? Good to know.

You will get speed increase and AC, but no extra attacks

Originally posted by Eldrin:

What do you mean number of extra attacks according to bab? If i am a sorc then at level 12 my bab would be 6 and 1.

If you turn into a form that has only one attack, like a wolf it will get extra attacks according to your bab, same as any other weapons. Forms in pathfinder add to casters stats, not replace them.

Originally posted by Eldrin:

If i use dragonkind I does that mean i then make 1 bite, two claws, 2 wings attacks and +2 extra of something?

Don't remember off the top of my head the list of dragon attacks, but you will get exactly what's on the tin and nothing more.

Would you happen to know if Arcane Strike feat will work with natural weapons form Dragon Kind?

[InEffect]

It should. It only conflicts with bard songs iirc

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by InEffect:

It should. It only conflicts with bard songs iirc

Which song? I plan to keep linzi around so maybe i should not get that feat then?

[InEffect]

It's weird. If you have arcane strike songs don't start in-combat even if they don't take swift action. Not sure if that was fixed with the recent update that removed the song rotation thingie.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by InEffect:

It's weird. If you have arcane strike songs don't start in-combat even if they don't take swift action. Not sure if that was fixed with the recent update that removed the song rotation thingie.

Wait do you mean if i was a bard then it would be a problem?

I think i misunderstood, i thought if my guy used Arcane Strike then linzis songs wont stack with the damage buff.

[InEffect]

That's fine. If a bard takes arcane strike it produces all sorts of weirdness, though. Or at least used to prior to the latest patch that I haven't played yet.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

I'm pretty sure haste should stack with everything for the sake of giving an extra attack during a full round action.

[InEffect]

Not in case of non-iterative attacks it shouldn't. Everyone with an attack array should get exactly that regardless of buffs.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

(This effect is not cumulative with similar effects, such as that provided by a speed weapon, nor does it actually grant an extra action, so you can’t use it to cast a second spell or otherwise take an extra action in the round.)

So this is off the d20 site for haste (I did know it doesn't stack with speed, just forgot when posting), but otherwise, what do you mean 'non-iterative attacks'?? (Sorry I'm a bit slow tonight)

[InEffect]

iterative attacks are when your get more depending on BAB. 6/11/16 with -5 step. Another way of attacking is attack array like most monsters have. In case with the former you can add additional attacks from dual-wield, haste, one axuilliary attack(tail, bite, tentacle, whatever). With the latter you get exactly what on the tin and cant modify it as the attack comes in array, but is made at full bab.
Same applies to stuff like cleave. You don't get more attacks just cause you have haste. You get a set number of attacks and that's that.