Anti-Paladin?

[myrddin88]

Good evening.
Particularly fond of playing characters with a loyal-evil alignment, I wondered if there was the possibility of becoming Anti-Paladin in the game.
I have seen several posts about Hellknight, leaving the loyal-good alignment with a paladin, but I haven't seen anything that clearly answers my question.
Would it be possible to know if this class or a similar class exists?
Thank you in advance for your replies.

[Kurosu]

Unfortunately Hellknight is not playable in Kingmaker unless perhaps though a mod.

There are Hellknight NPCs in the game however as well as Hellknight looking gear for what its worth.

[ShadowninjaHD]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

Hellknight looking gear for what its worth.

Sadly if I remember correctly the Hellknight helmet gives no stats and is purely cosmetic.

Originally posted by myrddin88:

Good evening.
I have seen several posts about Hellknight, leaving the loyal-good alignment with a paladin

Those probably refer to just being a paladin and saying "Screw you divine abilities, I am changing my alignment." I don't know how many of the abilities the paladin actually keeps outside of the lawfull good alignment, but perhaps one of the 4 archetypes is actually playable without those divine buffs. And don't forget, "playable" is really just a question on difficulties above Challenging. And you can very well do an unfair run with bad builds too, roadblock being the tutorial, so it really just comes down to preference. But yeah, without mods, you will have to wait for Wrath of the Righteous for a Hellknight playable character.

[Tuidjy]

Playing a lawful evil king is very well supported. You get advisors perfect for it, some of the best kingdom buildings, and plenty of sane, selfish options. No class like the Hellknight, Anti-Paladins, and Evil Vindicators though.

But nothing prevents you from making an Evil ranger or magus, and get quite close to the feeling of an anti-paladin. You can definitely kite out a character in black/red armor and helmet, and give them a weapon with an evil/unholy aura.

An evil Abyssal Magus can both look the part, and act it.

[Brids17]

You could probably do a necromancy melee build, which would be kind of paladin-ish but evil.

[Isengrym]

It wouldn't be as tanky as a paladin, but you could play an inquisitor of Asmodeus or Zon-Kuthon (both lawful evil deities). In terms of flavor it might be similar to what you're looking for, though it's a class with a 3/4 base attack bonus and six levels of spells (like a bard in those respects).

[razvedchiki]

you can start as a paladin and become fallen through your evil ways.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by razvedchiki:

you can start as a paladin and become fallen through your evil ways.

Yes, but you probably do not get cool perks the way you can in PnP Pathfinder. I remember a friend planing some kind of character that is a progression from a fallen paladin, but I cannot remember the name. It was some kind of tort obsessed revenge maniac.

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Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Originally posted by razvedchiki:

you can start as a paladin and become fallen through your evil ways.

Yes, but you probably do not get cool perks the way you can in PnP Pathfinder. I remember a friend planing some kind of character that is a progression from a fallen paladin, but I cannot remember the name. It was some kind of tort obsessed revenge maniac.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/paladin/archetypes/paizo-paladin-archetypes/vindictive-bastard-ex-paladin-archetype/

Was probably this one. The Call of the Wild mod introduces it.. Initially I had said it's probably the closest to an anti-paladin. But it's actually a far shot from it

[myrddin88]

Thank you for your advice. A little disappointed that the anti-paladins (the classic and the Insinuator) can't be played, but I'll try to find a build that works.

Originally posted by razvedchiki:

you can start as a paladin and become fallen through your evil ways.

Yes, but apparently, once you stop being loyal good, you lose all power and you can't gain those of the "dark side". Suddenly, this type of character has no interest. And basically, it's better when you have a viable build.

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Playing a lawful evil king is very well supported. You get advisors perfect for it, some of the best kingdom buildings, and plenty of sane, selfish options. No class like the Hellknight, Anti-Paladins, and Evil Vindicators though.

But nothing prevents you from making an Evil ranger or magus, and get quite close to the feeling of an anti-paladin. You can definitely kite out a character in black/red armor and helmet, and give them a weapon with an evil/unholy aura.

An evil Abyssal Magus can both look the part, and act it.

So far, I hadn't thought of the Magus at all (I've never played one), but it's true that it seems a good alternative to a bi-classification.