Kineticists, please help.

[Silvarein]

so this being the first class ive enjoyed enough to actually do any of post stag lord with,ive run into a few problems after the green lightups for feats are gone.

what feats should i take? does deadly aim work with kinetic blast?

also what kineticist class is the strongest, i went with dark elementalist after i found out how kinetic blade works, did i choose the worst class specialization?

and now onto the elements, with my current elemental choices i went, Cold >fire did i choose wrong? should i have doubled up on water specialization and chosen the blunt water? is the water spec actually kind of crap? i see all these blasts like blizzard and ♥♥♥♥ on the prereq lists for certain wild talents and stuff and im wondering if i havent made a horrible mistake and missed out on really cool ♥♥♥♥..

(keep in mind i play on the lowest possible difficulty so while maximum viability isnt neccessary i still wanna slap things harder than a wet noodle and kineticist even with my bumbling seems to be really fun for doing that from range, certainly more fun than sorcerer or divine hunter if anybody recognizes me from my other threads.)

[EvilDonut]

I am playing a kinetic knight and i like it.
Jusst be sure to boost his hp and ac to the max you can, and the rest will be quite easy.

[Silvarein]

Originally posted by EvilDonut:

I am playing a kinetic knight and i like it.
Jusst be sure to boost his hp and ac to the max you can, and the rest will be quite easy.

i tried kinetic knight and didnt like it, it hought i was making a 2 hander and after trying dark elementalist found i liked the ranged variants more, that said im not averse to a kinetic knight playthrough, but its more of a thought between dark elementalist and the other one (and or base)

part of the problem is i have no idea what the stats do with regards to kineticist does intelligence boost my damage? idk.

[EvilDonut]

No.

If you go ranged, go with CON and DEX.

[To Dream]

Originally posted by Silvarein:

what feats should i take? does deadly aim work with kinetic blast?

It's supposed to, I haven't done the math yet to see if it does though. Make sure you have Point Blank and Percise Shot first, however. Point Blank almost always applies due to the range limit on Kinetic Blast, and negating the -4 for shooting into melee is big even for energy blasts (and vital for physical ones.)

Originally posted by Silvarein:

also what kineticist class is the strongest, i went with dark elementalist after i found out how kinetic blade works, did i choose the worst class specialization?

Personally I don't really like the Dark Elementalist, the way it handles burn bugs me. However, for your MC, the extra skillpoints from making INT your main stat are probably fairly useful. It just limits the amount of burn you have to use before you have to dump some.

Originally posted by Silvarein:

and now onto the elements, with my current elemental choices i went, Cold >fire did i choose wrong? should i have doubled up on water specialization and chosen the blunt water? is the water spec actually kind of crap? i see all these blasts like blizzard and♥♥♥♥♥♥on the prereq lists for certain wild talents and stuff and im wondering if i havent made a horrible mistake and missed out on really cool♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Maybe you did.

In the Pen and Paper, to the best of my knowledge Cold and Fire blasts don't get you a combined blast. I don't know if it's the same in game, checking is hard, but in Pnp while Water and Fire have a combined blast, Cold and Water do not. Combined blasts are expensive, you aren't likely to use them every round, but they do a ton of damage in a 'Nova' round or two.

[Silvarein]

Originally posted by To Dream:

Originally posted by Silvarein:

what feats should i take? does deadly aim work with kinetic blast?

It's supposed to, I haven't done the math yet to see if it does though. Make sure you have Point Blank and Percise Shot first, however. Point Blank almost always applies due to the range limit on Kinetic Blast, and negating the -4 for shooting into melee is big even for energy blasts (and vital for physical ones.)

Originally posted by Silvarein:

also what kineticist class is the strongest, i went with dark elementalist after i found out how kinetic blade works, did i choose the worst class specialization?

Personally I don't really like the Dark Elementalist, the way it handles burn bugs me. However, for your MC, the extra skillpoints from making INT your main stat are probably fairly useful. It just limits the amount of burn you have to use before you have to dump some.

Originally posted by Silvarein:

and now onto the elements, with my current elemental choices i went, Cold >fire did i choose wrong? should i have doubled up on water specialization and chosen the blunt water? is the water spec actually kind of crap? i see all these blasts like blizzard and♥♥♥♥♥♥on the prereq lists for certain wild talents and stuff and im wondering if i havent made a horrible mistake and missed out on really cool♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Maybe you did.

In the Pen and Paper, to the best of my knowledge Cold and Fire blasts don't get you a combined blast. I don't know if it's the same in game, checking is hard, but in Pnp while Water and Fire have a combined blast, Cold and Water do not. Combined blasts are expensive, you aren't likely to use them every round, but they do a ton of damage in a 'Nova' round or two.

when i toggle deadly aim on and off on my mc it doesnt seem to do anything.

and i really am curious if it was worth it because while the viper familiar and kinetic healing are nice

, fire has dots all sorts of huge ♥♥♥♥ off aoe's and general op looking stuffm spindle feels like its poop by comparison, i also feel like cold seems to be resisted by basically everything?

[Silvarein]

like plasma blast, how do i make a plasma blast, can i use it as my main blast?

[TaKo]

Originally posted by Silvarein:

like plasma blast, how do i make a plasma blast, can i use it as my main blast?

plasma is a composite blast combining air and fire, u need both elements

[Silvarein]

Originally posted by TaKoDancer:

Originally posted by Silvarein:

like plasma blast, how do i make a plasma blast, can i use it as my main blast?

plasma is a composite blast combining air and fire, u need both elements

as in normal air or electric

[Mauman]

I know pirahna strike doesn't work with physical blades (RAW it should), so I'd be VERY surprised if deadly aim did something for physical blasts.

That being said, you do more than enough damage with your ranged attack....deadly aim ain't worth it as you need more toHit than damage with a kineticist.

[To Dream]

Originally posted by Silvarein:

Originally posted by TaKoDancer:

plasma is a composite blast combining air and fire, u need both elements

as in normal air or electric

Air and Fire.

Most combined blasts of mixed elements are Physical Blast + Energy Blast.

ALL elements stack with themselves for a combined blasts.

Combined Blasts are as follows, when I mention an element it specifically means the physical blast, while a damage type means the energy blast. Earth is always physical, Fire is always Energy.

Air + Cold = Blizard Blast
Fire + Fire = Blue Flame Blast
Electic + Water = Charged Water Blast
Water + Cold = Ice Blast
Earth + Fire = Magma Blast
Earth + Earth = Metal Blast
Earth + Water = Mud Blast
Air + Fire = Plasma Blast
Air + Earth = Sandstorm Blast
Fire + Water = Steam Blast
Air + Electricty = Thunderstom Blast.

Blasts that have a physical component are always physical, Energy+Energy blasts are the only Engery combinded blasts.

Energy combined blasts are significatly more accurate against most targets. However they do less damage, are subject to spell reisistance, and have to overcome energy resistance. (Fire+Fire has a way around spell resistance.)

Physical combined blasts do more damage and aren't subject to spell resistance. They do have to deal with DR though, and energy resistance when it is applicable.

[Silvarein]

Originally posted by To Dream:

Originally posted by Silvarein:

as in normal air or electric

Air and Fire.

Most combined blasts of mixed elements are Physical Blast + Energy Blast.

ALL elements stack with themselves for a combined blasts.

Combined Blasts are as follows, when I mention an element it specifically means the physical blast, while a damage type means the energy blast. Earth is always physical, Fire is always Energy.

Air + Cold = Blizard Blast
Fire + Fire = Blue Flame Blast
Electic + Water = Charged Water Blast
Water + Cold = Ice Blast
Earth + Fire = Magma Blast
Earth + Earth = Metal Blast
Earth + Water = Mud Blast
Air + Fire = Plasma Blast
Air + Earth = Sandstorm Blast
Fire + Water = Steam Blast
Air + Electricty = Thunderstom Blast.

Blasts that have a physical component are always physical, Energy+Energy blasts are the only Engery combinded blasts.

Energy combined blasts are significatly more accurate against most targets. However they do less damage, are subject to spell reisistance, and have to overcome energy resistance. (Fire+Fire has a way around spell resistance.)

Physical combined blasts do more damage and aren't subject to spell resistance. They do have to deal with DR though, and energy resistance when it is applicable.

so by going cold fire im the only kineticist without a composite blast by level 9, i wish the game offered a damn respec option.

also do physical based blasts do more damage? i saw the kineticist companion has water blast that does 14-39 damage, though her cold blasts like up to 8-39 like mine. and she also heas deadly aim on her character so i assume its supposed to work with blasts.

and since you seem knowledgeable do i still need to pickup con as a dark elementalist for my to hit or just keep pumping dex or int. is dark elementalist worse than psychokineticist?

[Silvarein]

while you're here what the hell does maximized empowered and hasten spell do. i cant make heads or tails of how the game explains it

[To Dream]

Originally posted by Silvarein:

also do physical based blasts do more damage? i saw the kineticist companion has water blast that does 14-39 damage, though her cold blasts like up to 8-39 like mine. and she also heas deadly aim on her character so i assume its supposed to work with blasts.

and since you seem knowledgeable do i still need to pickup con as a dark elementalist for my to hit or just keep pumping dex or int. is dark elementalist worse than psychokineticist?

Not just Cold + Fire. There is no Elctric+Fire or Eletric+Earth. Cold + Earth isn't really valid either.

Physical combined blasts recieve full Consitution mod (Int for Dark Elementists) and recieves 2d6+2 on certain levels.

Energy combined blasts get 1/2 Con (Int for Dark Elementists) and a flat 2d6 when the blast levels.

So if you are really heavy into your Con stat, physical blasts do more damage. Not necessairly enermously more, but it is still an increase.

If you are going to stay at range, the Dark Elementalist doesn't need a lot of Con. Dark Studies calls out the substitution for all Kineticist effects except the size of your burn limit.

I don't know if the Psychokneticist is better per say. They don't lost HP, but thier Will Save drops, which in late game stages might be a worse option. They also subsitute Wis for Con in pretty much every case, which isn't quite as useful as the Int for Con swap.

[To Dream]

Originally posted by Silvarein:

while you're here what the hell does maximized empowered and hasten spell do. i cant make heads or tails of how the game explains it

When activated, the Metakinesis feature applies a Metamagic effect to your blasts at the cost of burn. As normal metamagic feats do not work on your blasts, a single class Kineticist should not take them.

Empowered Metakinesis increases your damage by 50% at the cost of 1 burn.
Maximized Metakinesis costs 2 burn, but sets your 'die' roll for damage to the maximum.
Quickned Metakinesis at the whooping cost of 3 burn, allows to to kinetic blast off next-to instantly.

Maximized example: At level 19 a Kintie has 10d6 for damage before the stat and the Physical Blast bonuses. When you use Maximized Metakinesis you will automatically get 60 on your damage 'roll'.

Empowered vs Maximized: Burn costs asside, depending on the luck of the roll there are times where Empowered will do more damage that Maximized. When your damage 'roll' is high enough the +50% can be better than just setting the dice to maximum.

[naginata]

Does anyone have a build for the new class + their subclasses?