Eldritch Arcana mod question

[aaronmv]

hi all, not sure if anyone here can answer this - asked on Nexus EA mod forum and still waiting for an answer.

Can anyone tell me how Spell Perfection interacts with an Arcane bloodline Sorceror or Eldritch Scion capstone, Arcane Apotheosis? Both of these (as well as Metamagic Adept ability replaced by Arcane Apotheosis) say that they reduce casting time of metamagic spells.

If you were to use 2 metamagic feats on a spell (that was also the chosen Spell Perfection spell) would it make that spell a standard action? i.e. say I have Spell Perfection for Fireball, and decide to Empower and Maximize it (either at level 20, or using Metamagic Adept). Would that spell cast as a standard action or does Spell Perfection not combine with Metamagic Adept/Arcane Apotheosis in that way?

[RKoz¦90N]

It works with the CotW mod. Never tried Eldritch Arcana.

Also; Spell Perfection itself already reduces the casting time if you only apply one meta magic feat.

[aaronmv]

Originally posted by RKoz¦90N:

It works with the CotW mod. Never tried Eldritch Arcana.

Also; Spell Perfection itself already reduces the casting time if you only apply one meta magic feat.

I know Spell Perfection already does this with one metamagic feat (as well as not requiring the spell to take up a higher slot) - I am trying to determine what happens when you apply 2 metamagics to the spell in a case where you either use Metamagic Adept or Arcane Apotheosis from the Arcane bloodline, along with Spell Perfection.

Thanks for confirming that it works in CotW, I believe much of this was migrated over from the EA mod. If I could just get confirmation on this it would be great, don't want to waste a ton of time playing this character out just to find out this combination wouldn't work.

[aaronmv]

Nobody know this one?

[jsaving]

EA is a lot of fun but only a small portion of the player base uses it and only a small portion of those users would have any idea how to answer something this specific. Your best bet would be to post in the Nexus forum and hope one of the mod creators happens to reply. Or alternatively, you could do the testing yourself and then post an answer for anyone else who might be wondering about this. Best wishes and good luck!

[aaronmv]

Originally posted by jsaving:

EA is a lot of fun but only a small portion of the player base uses it and only a small portion of those users would have any idea how to answer something this specific. Your best bet would be to post in the Nexus forum and hope one of the mod creators happens to reply. Or alternatively, you could do the testing yourself and then post an answer for anyone else who might be wondering about this. Best wishes and good luck!

Thanks - I have posted there and still waiting for an answer. It will be a long while before I can do the testing myself as I am a long way from level 15. But thanks anyway!

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

You can always save your game
Use a mod to increase your level to test and then reload your save..

Could of done it in the same length of time than posting in different places :)

[aaronmv]

Originally posted by =NK= Col. Jack O'Neil:

You can always save your game
Use a mod to increase your level to test and then reload your save..

Could of done it in the same length of time than posting in different places :)

Lol - didn't know that was a thing! Thanks for the tip.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

No problems.. Let us know the outcome?

[aaronmv]

Originally posted by =NK= Col. Jack O'Neil:

No problems.. Let us know the outcome?

Hmm well I just tried using the Metamagic Adept ability of the Arcane Bloodline (that Arcane Apotheosis ends up replacing) with an Intensified Shocking Grasp...and it did not seem to reduce the casting speed at all. I cast the spell, swung once with my sword via Spellstrike, and that was the end of the turn. Doesn't appear to be properly implemented in EA. I guess I need to download CotW and hope the turn based update doesn't screw it up?

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

If you do use cotw, make sure you enabled the the compatibility in the options in ea in the umm.

Isn't spell strike a full round action in itself? Did you hit with the strike?

[aaronmv]

Originally posted by =NK= Col. Jack O'Neil:

If you do use cotw, make sure you enabled the the compatibility in the options in ea in the umm.

Isn't spell strike a full round action in itself? Did you hit with the strike?

Spell Combat is a full round action, but it allows you to make all of your normal attacks along with casting a spell - Spellstrike just let's you make an extra weapon attack to deliver a touch spell.

My Scion is level 8, so +6 BAB means he gets two attacks normally, then if I use a touch spell with Spell Combat and Spellstrike, I get an extra attack at max BAB which delivers the spell if it hits. So I should have gotten 3 swings regardless of whether the strike hit (which it did). What ended up happening was I cast the spell and then swung my sword once, it hit, and then I made no further attacks.

[aaronmv]

Originally posted by =NK= Col. Jack O'Neil:

If you do use cotw, make sure you enabled the the compatibility in the options in ea in the umm.

Isn't spell strike a full round action in itself? Did you hit with the strike?

Just tried testing again and oddly enough the Metamagic Adept ability uses up charges when I cast regular spells that do not have metamagic applied...not only that but the spell I cast (Blur) can't have the Intensify metamagic added to it in the first place.

Not sure if the coding is the same in the CotW mod...but something tells me my build isn't going to work as intended...at least in the EA mod anyway.

[Stink Bug]

Be aware that the Definitive Edition patch on the 18th will almost certainly break Eldritch Arcana, which may in turn render your saves unusable until the mod's caretaker updates again (which he may not, the last update was in March) I would either respec all your characters with EA feats/traits/abilities what have you to be without them and remove the mod beforehand, or make it so steam doesn't automatically update the game and continue playing without the new patch. CotW's author updates very frequently btw, so that one's likely safe.

[aaronmv]

Looks like I am going to swap over to CotW...one thing I noticed however is that the Magical Lineage trait in that version does not let you select spells higher than level 3, despite that limit not being mentioned in the description. It is essentially being implemented as Wayang Spellhunter trait.

[pie gie]

Use Magical Lineage + Meta Magic Master+ Spell perfection = Allows you to apply a maximum 5 meta magic level reduction.

Example: Fireball (including all the traits mentioned) with the metamagics, Maximized (3 lvl cost) + Intensified (1 lvl cost) + Empowered (2 lvl cost) = 4th Level Fireball.
Which then hits for 90 fire damage AOE, unless they make their reflex save or are immune.

Side Note, applying metamagics that put a spell above level 9, even with the reduction, will not work.

I won't play without the mod, which is why I rolled back the update.