Spindle - Kineticist

[Dixon Sider]

So its saying in the tooltip that this is supposed to be some form of AoE, but I cant get it to work. I noticed its attacking dex instead of AC which is cool, but its not getting any AoE damage off when the enemies are literally touching hitboxes.

Also, how do I determine the DC of this "spell"? is there any way to improve it?

[Dixon Sider]

Ok so I found that DEX modifier does improve the DC of spindle, and the modifier is 20 because of 10 + 4 (half of my level rounded down) + 6 (DEX modifier) = 20

but why is it not an AoE????

[[CoH] Joker]

I know it says "damaging all creatures within any two adjacent 5-foot squares", but honestly, that's amounts to two creatures in pretty much every scenario the game has to offer.
A lot of the form infusions don't really have special animations anyhow.
Check your combat log and see if it's actually hitting multiple targets in crowded groups. If not, maybe go with Spray or Torrent instead.

[Dixon Sider]

Nah, its not hiting anything else lol. But the upside to it is I can attack DEX instead of touch AC. Its too late to go back now lol. I already overwrote the auto/quikcksaves

[haplok]

It's terrible, TBH. Worst form infusion by far.

Many other attack Reflex, but they don't suck quite so much. Fan of Flames, Eruption, Torrent, Spray, Fragmentation are all vastly superior.

[Dixon Sider]

Ya, im just not using it lol. But at least I found out that the spell resistance penetration feat I got much earlier wasnt useless. So I traded one useless level up choice (I thought I made a mistake with SR pen because its suggested against getting greater SR pen in the level up UI) for another.

[ignis]

Spindle AoE simply doesn't work. SR pen is good for energy blasts, but DC of kineticist abilities is pretty lame, so it won't make a lot of difference. Better to get physical blast as secondary. It is possible to get around 20 attack with phys blasts at level 10, which would allow you to use it as a primary with little misses.

Usually only some mages and fey have overwhelming AC, but they tend to also have a huge SR, so your best bet against them would be phys AoE that does not target AC, ideally without saving throw (Cloud, Deadly Earth). Or use pure-flame infusion of blue flame that ignores SR without saving throw. But it does not ignore fire resistance, so you'll have troubles with fire immune enemies.

[Dixon Sider]

Ya I got an air physical blast, but havent used it much yet. My fire blasts are killing it. I tried air for the wisps, but Regongar is dropping them like flies anyways with the forced flat footed magus abillity

[Nettleburn_PL]

spindle works. however nobody knows how does it work exacly. i almost understand some of the mechanics. if u wana spindle 2 trolls it simply wont bounce, cuz they r large. u can try hitting 2 medium creatures touch range one of another. or 5 swarms in two 5 foot squares. 5 foot square in game is exacly a medium creature circle (a zombi for example) - trolls are just to broad. here are some videos proving it. at second video i managed to hit 4 creatures, and i dont know how ;)

(language is polish, but i think u can manage without knowing language, second video is 34 seconds just hiting spindle)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYm0Xbaqj3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htE4UsPXYL0

[mbradtke]

Originally posted by Nettleburn_PL:

spindle works. however nobody knows how does it work exacly. i almost understand some of the mechanics. if u wana spindle 2 trolls it simply wont bounce, cuz they r large. u can try hitting 2 medium creatures touch range one of another. or 5 swarms in two 5 foot squares. 5 foot square in game is exacly a medium creature circle (a zombi for example) - trolls are just to broad. here are some videos proving it. at second video i managed to hit 4 creatures, and i dont know how ;)

(language is polish, but i think u can manage without knowing language, second video is 34 seconds just hiting spindle)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYm0Xbaqj3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htE4UsPXYL0

very helpful (:
i was confused as well but seems it is a mini aoe, really small, only work on small-medium tragets, some medium targets have smalles circles than others and that seems to matter...
i am able to hit 3 targets sometimes but the range is really small and sometimes you will think you can hit something but noop... but def. usefull, only works against low reflex enemies tough, i prefer it about the fan infusion on kenarah because it is safer, i like to keep her in a safe spot and fan also is tricky to cast without hitting your party...

[Briggs]

In my experience, it's unreliable. I spent quite a bit of time in the rouge-lite DLC testing builds and sometimes it simply doesn't work. You can have two mites side-by-side, and it only checks one of them. Othertimes, it works as intended. I'm confident it's bugged. There are actually quite a few things that are bugged in this game. For example, I regularly use the Kinetic Charge thing (I don't remember the name, nor do I care), but sometimes there is no attack after the teleport, only an animation. Or When I try to Gather outside of combat I can't finish before an enemy spots me, I won't be able to do anything on my first turn other than move even if I toggle Gathering off and use a free blast.