Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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Uzkin Sep 16, 2019 @ 9:41am
Does Blind Fight work?
My TSS has the feat Blind Fight. It says:
"An invisible attacker gets no advantages related to hitting you in melee. That is, you don’t lose your Dexterity bonus to Armor Class, and the attacker doesn’t get the usual +2 bonus for being invisible."

Yet when I was fighting Doomspiders I got attacked by an invisible Doomspider and got the following result:
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> Doomspider attacks TSS with Bite. Hit Sneak attack!
Attack result: 35 (roll:17 + modifiers:18)
Target's armor class: 33
Result: hit

Attack bonus: +18
BAB: +7
Strength: +7
Circumstance: +2 [Concealment]
Difficulty: +2

Armor class: 33 (Flat-footed)
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According to the description of Blind Fight, an invisible attacker shouldn't gain the +2 circumstance hit modifier nor should my TSS lose her DEX bonus to her AC. My TSS had already performed her first action in the fight, so it wasn't an Initiative issue either.

Is Blind Fight bugged?
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Dixon Sider Sep 16, 2019 @ 9:46am 
Your probably not close enough. You have to be right on top of them pretty much
Uzkin Sep 16, 2019 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by Dixon Sider:
Your probably not close enough. You have to be right on top of them pretty much
So the feat description should read:
"An invisible attacker gets no advantages related to hitting you in melee assuming you somehow know where the attacker is despite he/she/it being invisible, and go stand right on top of it before it attacks." ...
PhocasByz Sep 19, 2019 @ 10:21am 
i've found that in another post >>

while blinded you are always flat footed (against concealed ennemy)
The feat says nothing about avoiding being flat footed while blinded

BlindFight ignore concealment within your REACH
ImprovedBlindFight ignore concealment within 30 feet
GreaterBlindFight ignore concealment regardless range
UncannyDodge ignore concealment regardless range (even while its unaware)

That's why you lose Dex AC: you're out of range so you can't get the pros from BlindFight.
BlindSight can ignore concealment too. ?? spell

There is a bug:
While the reach of melee weapons is 2 feet, BlindFight accesses a value which is always zero during its calculation, means BlindFight only takes affect when the small circles under the characters are overlapping with each other.
dwarner Sep 19, 2019 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by PhocasByz:
i've found that in another post >>

while blinded you are always flat footed (against concealed ennemy)
The feat says nothing about avoiding being flat footed while blinded

BlindFight ignore concealment within your REACH
ImprovedBlindFight ignore concealment within 30 feet
GreaterBlindFight ignore concealment regardless range
UncannyDodge ignore concealment regardless range (even while its unaware)

That's why you lose Dex AC: you're out of range so you can't get the pros from BlindFight.
BlindSight can ignore concealment too. ?? spell

There is a bug:
While the reach of melee weapons is 2 feet, BlindFight accesses a value which is always zero during its calculation, means BlindFight only takes affect when the small circles under the characters are overlapping with each other.

Interesting. Looks like it's Improved then. TSS gets enough feats that its probably worth it anyway. BF still stops gaze, so you need it anyway.

Would be nice to have someone on the bugfixing team who actually plays the game.

Womb got a lot easier when I started giving Ekun Improved Precise Shot and Okbo Echolocation and tanking with Okbo. Now I know why.
Last edited by dwarner; Sep 19, 2019 @ 10:29am
dwarner Sep 19, 2019 @ 11:11am 
Speaking of a strange radius of effect, check this out:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1866349733

Harrim is getting the benefit of the team feat Shake it Off from all three of his Summons, who don't look very adjacent to his position.
PhocasByz Sep 19, 2019 @ 12:15pm 
i think shake it off is rather wide (30 foot or more)

Last edited by PhocasByz; Sep 19, 2019 @ 12:18pm
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Date Posted: Sep 16, 2019 @ 9:41am
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