Any way to make peace with both the kobolds and trolls?

[Gracey Face]

As far as I can tell you have to kill one faction by killing it's leader first, which is kind of a shame as Hargulka does seem to want progress just he isn't mentally capable of it without Tartuccio so you are basically forced into massacring the Trolls and allowing the Kobolds to live.

Would be nice if there a way to allow both of them to live and simply stop them aggressing on your subjects.

[Kurosu]

No you can only make one of them your vassals and that is only if you have a chaotic alligment.
I would never side with the trolls no matter what though.

[jsaving]

If you successfully interact with the troll guarding the front door of the compound, Hargulka explains that he has no interest in living peacefully and simply wants to rampage unmolested. However there do seem to be at least a few trolls who disagree and it would be interesting if you'd been given the option to take the trolls under your wing and impose a leader who might help them grow.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by jsaving:

If you successfully interact with the troll guarding the front door of the compound, Hargulka explains that he has no interest in living peacefully and simply wants to rampage unmolested.

He doesn't though. I mean he might have at some point but that's not his dialogue now. A summary of his dialogue for each section of the encounter is;

[Statue Smash]
"I am not interested in making any deals with you as I do not trust you!"
[Tag Team Fight]
"We must kill you now as you have no desire but to kill us!"
[Post Fight if you spare him]
"I wanted to make peace with the borba, but only after conquering them initially to put myself in a position of dominance. Then I would have taught the trolls to coexist with them. But Tartuk was right when he said we should become peaceful first to avoid conflict with the borba."


Seriously, the guy is pretty heavily committed to the idea of civilising the trolls. Shame that it's not really viable without Tartuccio.

[dwarfpcfan]

you can only have one or the other as getting one requires doing the fight where one obligatory dies and then offering peace to other survivor as an available option if you are chaotic. Note recruiting the trolls will cause Ekun to abandon you.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

then offering peace to other survivor as an available option if you are chaotic.

That's the wierdest part of this segment. Only lawful is allowed to attempt a dialogue with them, even though lawful is for whatever reason doctrinally forced to exterminate them. But then chaotic is able to actually make peace despite having no ability to make overtures beforehand.

Can't tell if it's bad game design (I mean it kind of is by default since alignment locked dialogue is silly to begin with) or just some strange outcome of the silly 3x3 morality system.


Bag of tricks though, baby!

[Kurosu]

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

then offering peace to other survivor as an available option if you are chaotic.

That's the wierdest part of this segment. Only lawful is allowed to attempt a dialogue with them, even though lawful is for whatever reason doctrinally forced to exterminate them. But then chaotic is able to actually make peace despite having no ability to make overtures beforehand.

Can't tell if it's bad game design (I mean it kind of is by default since alignment locked dialogue is silly to begin with) or just some strange outcome of the silly 3x3 morality system.


Bag of tricks though, baby!

What are you talking about ? You dont need to be lawfull to speak with them. Lawfull only skips the first part of the dungeon if you agree with the friendly troll. You get to the "talking" part as soon as you enter the ruins no matter the alligment.

I "love" how people abuse the " bad game design " label for anything that they just dont personally agree with.

Alligmnment locked dialoge is silly ? Tell more how a a good character would recruit Vordekai . Or how an evil one would try to give hope to Nyrissa

Welcome to ROLE-playing games

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

That's the wierdest part of this segment. Only lawful is allowed to attempt a dialogue with them, even though lawful is for whatever reason doctrinally forced to exterminate them. But then chaotic is able to actually make peace despite having no ability to make overtures beforehand.

Can't tell if it's bad game design (I mean it kind of is by default since alignment locked dialogue is silly to begin with) or just some strange outcome of the silly 3x3 morality system.


Bag of tricks though, baby!

What are you talking about ? You dont need to be lawfull to speak with them. Lawfull only skips the first part of the dungeon if you agree with the friendly troll. You get to the "talking" part as soon as you enter the ruins no matter the alligment.

I "love" how people abuse the " bad game design " label for anything that they just dont personally agree with.

Alligmnment locked dialoge is silly ? Tell more how a a good character would recruit Vordekai . Or how an evil one would try to give hope to Nyrissa

Welcome to ROLE-playing games

Try not to spaz out so hard and you might not make such foolish mistakes.

[Kurosu]

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

Originally posted by Kurosu:

What are you talking about ? You dont need to be lawfull to speak with them. Lawfull only skips the first part of the dungeon if you agree with the friendly troll. You get to the "talking" part as soon as you enter the ruins no matter the alligment.

I "love" how people abuse the " bad game design " label for anything that they just dont personally agree with.

Alligmnment locked dialoge is silly ? Tell more how a a good character would recruit Vordekai . Or how an evil one would try to give hope to Nyrissa

Welcome to ROLE-playing games

Try not to spaz out so hard and you might not make such foolish mistakes.

I didnt expect a meaningfull response. Not dissapointed.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

Try not to spaz out so hard and you might not make such foolish mistakes.

I didnt expect a meaningfull response. Not dissapointed.

Response was meaningful. Just you're still spazzing out so you missed it.

I'll give you a hint;

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

Only lawful is allowed to attempt a dialogue with them

Originally posted by Kurosu:

You dont need to be lawfull to speak with them. You get to the "talking" part as soon as you enter the ruins no matter the alligment.

Because do you want to know what makes for good diplomacy? Walking in and butchering everyone!

(Witcher fanboys lmfao.)

[Kurosu]

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

Originally posted by Kurosu:

I didnt expect a meaningfull response. Not dissapointed.

Response was meaningful. Just you're still spazzing out so you missed it.

I'll give you a hint;

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

Only lawful is allowed to attempt a dialogue with them

Originally posted by Kurosu:

You dont need to be lawfull to speak with them. You get to the "talking" part as soon as you enter the ruins no matter the alligment.

Because do you want to know what makes for good diplomacy? Walking in and butchering everyone!

(Witcher fanboys lmfao.)

1) Nobody mentioned Witcher except from you. Ironically I find it a decent game at best

2) You a are so clueless about the game ( the Kingmaker one) that you havent even realised that the dialogue outcome in the ruins is the same regardless of alligment, and the lawfull choice merely skips the fight in the previous area.Only during the surrender of the second boss do you have an actual "peace" option.

3) Enjoy calling your ignorance " bad game design " ; )

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

1) Nobody mentioned Witcher except from you. Ironically I find it a decent game at best

You know what your avatar is, right?


Not going to lie, you're pathetic :D. Begone.


Oh wow, and I actually bothered to read the other "points" you make. You know point 2 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LITERALLY WHAT I AM ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SAYING, right?

You don't start a dialogue by murdering the other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ side, or at least that's not a good approach. Jesus Christ..


Look. Just stop. You're not mentally capable of understanding what is being discussed. Like I said, begone.

[Kurosu]

Originally posted by A calming voice.:

Originally posted by Kurosu:

1) Nobody mentioned Witcher except from you. Ironically I find it a decent game at best

You know what your avatar is, right?


Not going to lie, you're pathetic :D. Begone.


Oh wow, and I actually bothered to read the other "points" you make. You know point 2 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LITERALLY WHAT I AM ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SAYING, right?

You don't start a dialogue by murdering the other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ side, or at least that's not a good approach. Jesus Christ..


Look. Just stop. You're not mentally capable of understanding what is being discussed. Like I said, begone.

Get help. Seriously. I will only stop because you transformed a simple post to a duel to feed your self-entintlement. Enjoy blaming others for own ignorance and miseundestanding of a game.

PS : Creating a post , then demanding people to leave it when they dont share your opinions while insulting them on top of that ?

Oh there is definately someone pathetic here. Just not the one you think

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

You come on here with an insulting post that completely misses an incredibly simple point. Then continue to miss the point while also identifying the point. Then get upset when you yourself get insulted.

Meth is bad for you, you should not smoke it.

[Mork]

Useless flame war from OP.

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