Tristian's Saving Grace (SPOILERS)

[Paladin]

So, I know there is some shenanigans with Tristian and him either getting his angelic grace back or staying human, etc. And how that can influence his and Jaethal's endings.

I brought Jaethal and she just cringes and grimaces when Tristian communicates with Sarenrae. The cult priest always kills himself. Tristian stays blind and remains with us regardless of the decision, but he either gets the Angel Form or Humane Wisdom traits.

Haven't done Jaethal's last quest yet. Didn't let her keep the elf girl undead, let her accept the ritual instructions but kept Taneka dead, and defended her from Enneo.

Wondering whether it'd be better encourage Tristian is return to Sarenrae's grace or to stay human?

[Mork]

I think human Tristan get +2 to wisdom and charisma.

And angel Tristan i think get wing(?), a aura that give +4 ac/saves that don't stack with gears for x round par day. Maybe something else too....

Me? I like human Tristian better...

[InEffect]

I usually just do his quest and tell him to gtfo.

[Paladin]

Originally posted by Mork:

I think human Tristan get +2 to wisdom and charisma.

And angel Tristan i think get wing(?), a aura that give +4 ac/saves that don't stack with gears for x round par day. Maybe something else too....

Me? I like human Tristian better...

Humane Wisdom gives him a passive +2 to Wisdom and Charisma.

Angelic Form gives him a toggle ability that he can use for up to 20 rounds per day. It causes all Cure spells and Fire domain spells to be Maximized. It also makes him immune to Fire damage and ground effects. Finally, it gives him +2 Dodge bonus to AC.

I am curious if either of these will have meaningful repercussions later.

[InEffect]

It will if you decide to keep Jaethal undead.

[Mork]

Originally posted by Esrac:

Humane Wisdom gives him a passive +2 to Wisdom and Charisma.

Angelic Form gives him a toggle ability that he can use for up to 20 rounds per day. It causes all Cure spells and Fire domain spells to be Maximized. It also makes him immune to Fire damage and ground effects. Finally, it gives him +2 Dodge bonus to AC.

I am curious if either of these will have meaningful repercussions later.

Thanks for clarifying the buffs he get from the choices.

It depend on what you do with Jaethal. They might fight at the end, killing one or the other. I know that if you dismiss/kill Jeathal, she then kill human Tristian. His angel form might be stronger versus Jeathal? Human Jaethal is the only way to save both of them and also the safest for Tristian but you lose her for a while...

[jsaving]

Well, XXXXXXX's indictment of Jaethal in the HatEoT is basically also an indictment of good-aligned players who ignore her frequently expressed desire to do evil because they like the power she brings to the table, kind of like how the Trials in BG2 serve as an indictment of "lawful good" characters who routinely harm innocents and then get angry when after pocketing Blackrazor their alignment officially changes to the evil it always was. No one should be the least bit surprised Jaethal and Tristian will come to blows eventually unless the player actively takes actions against the party's short-term interest to make Jaethal more virtuous than she would otherwise be.

[InEffect]

I actually don't think Jae is really evil. She just doesn't care. Not caring is not evil. If anything Octavia has a lot more murderous tendencies than Jae does. And she doesn't steal from you. Or betray you. Or lie to you. Her only real crime is she happens to be undead, the rest is he said she said, which I think is just cause most people are racist towards undead.

[Paladin]

Originally posted by Mork:

Originally posted by Esrac:

Humane Wisdom gives him a passive +2 to Wisdom and Charisma.

Angelic Form gives him a toggle ability that he can use for up to 20 rounds per day. It causes all Cure spells and Fire domain spells to be Maximized. It also makes him immune to Fire damage and ground effects. Finally, it gives him +2 Dodge bonus to AC.

I am curious if either of these will have meaningful repercussions later.

Thanks for clarifying the buffs he get from the choices.

It depend on what you do with Jaethal. They might fight at the end, killing one or the other. I know that if you dismiss/kill Jeathal, she then kill human Tristian. His angel form might be stronger versus Jeathal? Human Jaethal is the only way to save both of them and also the safest for Tristian but you lose her for a while...

By the way, I didn't notice it at first, but restoring Tristian's grace also grants him another passive ability.

Protective Aura: Provides +4 Deflection bonus to AC and +4 Resistance Bonus on Saving Throws against attacks made by or effects created by Evil creatures. Range is 20 feet from the angel.

Originally posted by InEffect:

I actually don't think Jae is really evil. She just doesn't care. Not caring is not evil. If anything Octavia has a lot more murderous tendencies than Jae does. And she doesn't steal from you. Or betray you. Or lie to you. Her only real crime is she happens to be undead, the rest is he said she said, which I think is just cause most people are racist towards undead.

Doesn't she admit to committing some depraved, murderous rituals back in her homeland? For which she was exiled and assassinated? She isn't usually in my party, but she also seems to be the selfish, hedonistic type who doesn't hesitate to break her word to grant Taneka's dying wish after getting what she wanted from her. Jaethal seems to be clearly evil to me.

[InEffect]

Only thing she admits is killing some bloke iirc. Also killing people is what Baron does on a day-to-day basis, so I feel you are hardly in a position to blame. Judging from her observable actions she's a reliable person that just happens to not give a damn about strangers, which is evil only if you consider being a bit selfish evil. And if that's the case then Linzy should be Evil along with most of the 'good'/'neutral' roster.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Mork:

I think human Tristan get +2 to wisdom and charisma.

And angel Tristan i think get wing(?), a aura that give +4 ac/saves that don't stack with gears for x round par day. Maybe something else too....

Me? I like human Tristian better...

Also he is the only companion that can use the cleric spell you get from the Monks in the Castle of Knives area.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Mork:

Originally posted by Esrac:

Humane Wisdom gives him a passive +2 to Wisdom and Charisma.

Angelic Form gives him a toggle ability that he can use for up to 20 rounds per day. It causes all Cure spells and Fire domain spells to be Maximized. It also makes him immune to Fire damage and ground effects. Finally, it gives him +2 Dodge bonus to AC.

I am curious if either of these will have meaningful repercussions later.

Thanks for clarifying the buffs he get from the choices.

It depend on what you do with Jaethal. They might fight at the end, killing one or the other. I know that if you dismiss/kill Jeathal, she then kill human Tristian. His angel form might be stronger versus Jeathal? Human Jaethal is the only way to save both of them and also the safest for Tristian but you lose her for a while...

Angelic Tristian will indeed beat even an eternal clarity undead Jaethal.

[Steffan]

Jaethal sacrificed people , relatives for no other reason but iimmortality. Most of the people a good/even neutral aligned baron will kill are at self-defense. Or to avoid threat to the realm, his friends or himself. She is unable to feel emotions: certainly not love and compassion. There is one thing that can turn her away from her path and even that she feels a bit different than a normal person. I have to admit she was the companion I could least tolerate (also as an advisor) and yet, your interests do somehow align. She needs your protection and she is useful. There is a light in her tunnel but it is dull an misshapen... until...

About Tristian: this is your decision to make. For me the choice was quite obvious: he is a deva trapped in a mortal body. A fate he considered so bad he allowed to be manipulated and do things he was ashamed of. Well, I can imagine you may want to keep him human if you romance him and he responds but... otherwise, he does not belong here. At least this is my point of view. I am pretty much camp Tristian and he is one of my three most favourite characters: Regongar and Jubilost being the other two.

[InEffect]

It doesn't matter. Killing people is killing people, unless you are at war. She did it to protect herself too. From old age, for example. And she does hold up her end of the bargain with the baron much unlike some other companions who are considered 'good'. If that's good people, I want more NE folk around

[Remove skull merchant]

You have a lot of evil characters and advisors. Not using any of them is...handicapping yourself, especially when you know that Linzi isnt so "Good"" at all.

[Steffan]

I do not want to hijack the thread but thievery is not an evil act by itself. It is certainly a chaotic one but there were plenty of resources around. It is really amazing how different people react differently to the same situations.

It is also interestig to consider one's tolerance on the evil/good and chaos/law aspect. Chaos is not equivalent to evil and good is not equivalent to law. It could be but it is often not the case (and now I sound like an anarchist. ;) )

An example: the reason my PC killed Tsanna was not because she was serving a dark deity (which definately contributed, though). The reason was she tried to impose my character a blessing he did not want. He refused and she attacked. She died.