extra urgent Best druid offensive in-game spells

[Sorceress]

for basically all levels, on normal and higher difficulties, what are best offensive druid spells that are in game, not tabletop.

[InEffect]

All spike spells are what druids pretty much do. Sit in invis and use your pet to kite stuff around those. Repeat.
Creeping doom is super-nice with much the same tactic applied, except pet can relax as well. That's pretty much it. The rest is just a bad sorcerer and buffs for the unarmed monks/shapeshifting which come online somewhere in the mid-game or later. Guess feyspeaker can also pick up phantasmal webs that are as good as ever and being bumped a level only helps the DC's.
Oh, and there is elemental swarm that is also good cause it sticks forever.

[Edstyles]

I'm a fan of summons . If you start as a human you get 2 feats at the get go . Where I improved conjuration and at level 3 you get to summon a bunch of dogs. Why summons are good imo is cause all spells can be made to summon spells.

[InEffect]

thing with summons is abadar cleric does it better. He gets both animate dead and elemental swarm and neither need any feats to work and are the best summoning spells out there. Creeping doom however is hard to come by. Think serpentine gets some gimped version of it as a 1r/level per day and that's pretty much it.
I would've liked summons if those were something better than fodder, apart from animate dead that can carry you from 5 to 10-ish no problem.

[Edstyles]

Perhaps but not every1 plays cleric as main and getting those feats aren't a problem since human gets extras .
Not going to use much of anything else as well anyway in the early levels as druid ,aside from buffing and all the spare spells can be used for summons
Druid starting feats are very mediocre anyway.
At least with summons feats you can use them summons effectely

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Perhaps but not every1 plays cleric as main and getting those feats aren't a problem since human gets extras .
Not going to use much of anything else as well anyway in the early levels as druid ,aside from buffing and all the spare spells can be used for summons
Druid starting feats are very mediocre anyway.
At least with summons feats you can use them summons effectely

Not unless you do degenerate solo things, which is what druid was made to do, I'm certain, or his spell-list wouldn't be all about it.

[jsaving]

I'm struggling to see the motivation behind choosing druid for this character. If you are looking for a summoner/blaster then druids lag pretty far behind abyssal/sylvan sorcerers, while if you are looking for a summoner/healer then druids lag pretty far behind clerics (you can even go herald caller if you want to retain spontaneous summoning). That said on normal difficulty you can make almost anything work "well enough" and druids are no exception.

[InEffect]

Yeah. My main gripe with druids is all their spells are pita to use with no direct advantages, apart from cheesing solo runs. They make a nice base for a level20 theurge mercs to support fist monks, though.

[Halfgeek]

Some of the best Druid spells are: Flamestrike, Sirroco, Creeping Doom, Elemental Swarm and Tsunami.

I really hate the AoE CC since it lasts 1 min/lvl with a huge radius, for a party play its overkill and a hindrance.

A cleric of Gozreh makes a better druid caster, IMO, gets Sirroco with Weather domain, and a pet with Animal.

There is a nice druid tanking build, with Feyspeaker, 1 Monk, for high AC, high touch AC and mirror image.

[InEffect]

Feyspeaker is pretty much better everything druid cause the mirror is that good. And for shifting, unarmed/natural can stack enough AB even with 0.5BAB

[Halfgeek]

Originally posted by InEffect:

Feyspeaker is pretty much better everything druid cause the mirror is that good. And for shifting, unarmed/natural can stack enough AB even with 0.5BAB

Yeah, I think Mirror Image is way too strong for just a l2 spell. Any tank that lacks it, feels too weak, because 20s happen and 20s crit happens. Get instant gibbed with back to back crits hurts.

IIRC, Crane Wing & Riposte also works in animal form? How about deflect arrows?

[Edstyles]

Originally posted by Halfgeek:

Originally posted by InEffect:

Feyspeaker is pretty much better everything druid cause the mirror is that good. And for shifting, unarmed/natural can stack enough AB even with 0.5BAB

Yeah, I think Mirror Image is way too strong for just a l2 spell. Any tank that lacks it, feels too weak, because 20s happen and 20s crit happens. Get instant gibbed with back to back crits hurts.

IIRC, Crane Wing & Riposte also works in animal form? How about deflect arrows?

Crane should work . Not sure about deflect .

Not diping monk on my druid tho . Find it annoying that almost every spec dips into it xD
Just gonna have Valerie tho that as she is nice to multiclass anyway

When it comes to druid spikes I think they are annoying abit but you can Def use it effectively in a party too . Perhaps with fear effects combined so the mobs keep stepping on them.
No doubt druid excels at aoe spells the most like it was mentioned . Tho I like the summons too until you can get good aoe spells . Like flamestrike and sirocco .

[InEffect]

You get FS and sirocco and congrats! You've achieved being a gimped evo sorc cause you can't be AT.

[Edstyles]

Originally posted by InEffect:

You get FS and sirocco and congrats! You've achieved being a gimped evo sorc cause you can't be AT.

Ah don't be so pessimistic xD . You have many spells and not every1 going to play the best classes .most important is that you enjoy it and squish most out of the class . Plus the spike spells . In a way it's the games fault imo as tabletop I'm guessing translates bad with the game . The Devs could have done a better job there. Aside from that it's a decent game tho.

[InEffect]

Oh. I'm not pessimistic about druid. They do a few things well. I just don't see a reason to play one and focus on stuff they do meh.

[Edstyles]

Originally posted by InEffect:

Oh. I'm not pessimistic about druid. They do a few things well. I just don't see a reason to play one and focus on stuff they do meh.

Well druid is a generalist . Not much to expect here and as said. I wouldn't be suprised if tabletop is completely different to what the game offers . There is so much op buffing in the game ...Which translates to inflated stats on enemies and as everyone knows . Inflated stats on enemies is a lazy way of making the game harder cause of certain game decisions. It's poor game design.