Harrim Healing Build

[PassoLiati]

I am looking for a good healing build for Harrim. I don't mind healing / off tank if needed, but mostly looking for a healing build. I am open to suggestions. I have seen t he 20 cleric builds, But I was wondering if there might be a better one.

[InEffect]

Just give him straight 20 cleric and a longspear so he doesn't run in and die. That's about it. He's also ok-ish theurge.

[PassoLiati]

Darn, ok. I was pretty impressed with some of your other builds and was curious if you had one for this guy.

[InEffect]

look. The thing has 14 starting str and there are no divine PRC's in the game to try and fix that and he's chaotic, so no monk and his int is 10, so no wizard theurges anytime soon. And his god is not abadar or erastil. Ok-ish is all that one can do with him.

[Mork]

For difficulty hard and bellow he become a fine healer as the game go on without doing anything special.

I personally like him with a greataxe, divine power and enlarge.

[jsaving]

Well, the good part about making Harrim a dedicated healer is that his subpar stats won't matter much. But I just don't see having a dedicated healer as a good use of a party slot when you could instead have an animal/community cleric casting aspect while using a reach weapon.

@PassoLiati What is it you are looking for in a dedicated healer? If you like having a lot of spell slots from which to cast cures, you might consider going empyreal sorc and then theurge. Or if you're just looking to eventually have the heal spell but are otherwise open to something different, you could throw away the cleric level and make him a monster tactician or maybe a sacred huntsman/druid which would at least leverage his decent wisdom.

[InEffect]

oh I forgot to mention that 'dedicated healer' is the most useless thing in the game. What you need is a good cleric with conversion to repair one or two hits worth of damage after the combat. Don't get hit to begin with is the better way. In-combat heals are grossly inefficient, apart from mass heal scroll usage, but then again you don't have to memorize it and literally any cleric or someone with sufficiently high UMD can do it. Reasonable exceptions is the regular heal spell as scrolls for those are kinda meh and those are good enough for emergencies.

[Halfgeek]

This game and the system it was built on, is designed so that the more dmg u do, the better. End fights quickly, take less dmg. Or if you have a tank, have it untouchable outside of natural 20 roll, so only 5% chance to get hit.

So combat healing is counter productive to this system. Harrim being a cleric with 14 STR is not awful in melee combat, since clerics get a lot of good melee buffs.

Early on, give him a Fauchard (level 3 feat), enlarge spell, and Bull's Strength and he's rocking 20 STR, with a 2D8 + 8. Add in the rank 1 Divine Favor and his atk bonus is decent enough to be effective.

You can get him a battle axe + shield for when u need an offtank too, in fullplate armor and a belt to buff his dex, his AC is fine for pretty much 90% of the game.

[ÄmJii]

You could just level him as Druid instead, that way you'd have access to Spontaneous Cast either heals or summons if needed and he'd get an animal companion (who will be much better than Harrim in combat).

Empyreal Sorc & Mystic Theurge approach seems viable too due to his high WIS and sucky Channeling abilities:
https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-kingmaker/builds/Harrim

If you really want a dedicated healer you're better off picking Tristrian and keep him as pure cleric.

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Halfgeek:

Harrim being a cleric with 14 STR is not awful in melee combat, since clerics get a lot of good melee buffs.

Early on, give him a Fauchard (level 3 feat), enlarge spell, and Bull's Strength and he's rocking 20 STR, with a 2D8 + 8. Add in the rank 1 Divine Favor and his atk bonus is decent enough to be effective.

You can get him a battle axe + shield for when u need an offtank too, in fullplate armor and a belt to buff his dex, his AC is fine for pretty much 90% of the game.

I have a feeling that's aint an unfair plan you've got. Also, Fauchard spec does nothing for you that early. Longspear costs nothing to use and the feat can be used for perception focus.

[PassoLiati]

Thanks for your responses, So I should clarify that I finished Normal and am looking at potentially doing hard or another normal next, I am not yet at the level of playing unfair. Atleast I don't know that I am good yet at it, and there are things I like from an rp and personality perspective like pets and certain other things that I have read do not bode well in Unfair, but in my Normal play through, they did very well all the way through.

With regards to Harrim, I was thinking of a healer substitute for when /Tristan goes away, or as a replacement for Tristan in terms of making him a healing off tank (Where Tristan is currently a healing dps). So in my last try I had everyone specialized for a single role. This time I am trying to have everyone have at least two roles. I thought with Harrim, looking at his stats and char, that he would be either a healer or a healing off tank. But it sounds like the consensus here is to make him a healing dps.

[InEffect]

Harrim is no worse than Tristian. Both are kinda terrible at the whole clericing thing. Tbh Harrim might even be bit better cause he has better domains. Not that comparing the two is very useful. since the power graph would look like

|Merc Cleric
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|Jaethal
|Harrim
|Tristian
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If I seriously had to go with purely companions I'd just take Ekun as Abadar sacred and turned Valerie into a feyspeaker, since she does shapeshifting things better than Jaethal who can't really be enlarged. Although Jae is fine for that as well. And used monk MC cause that has the most synergy with above.

[PassoLiati]

Originally posted by InEffect:

Harrim is no worse than Tristian. Both are kinda terrible at the whole clericing thing. Tbh Harrim might even be bit better cause he has better domains. Not that comparing the two is very useful. since the power graph would look like

|Merc Cleric
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|Jaethal
|Harrim
|Tristian
|_________

Lol, that had me laughing. Wow, I didn't realize there was that much of a difference. I've been trying to avoid having to take mercs only from an RP perspective. I just feel that from a Lawful Good perspective, hiring mercs doesn't feel right. But if it is that much different then I might have to figure that one out.

[InEffect]

Problem with story companions is they all are chaotic and wouldn't have access to good domains even if they tried. Only Ekun can take Abadar or Erastil and that's your only hope for a no merc run for a useful domain. At least they didn't hardcode him to worship torag as he's supposed to. So abadar nobility it is. At least something useful. Add booter on someone and a bard and you will have enough buffs even for unfair. Only problem is deciding which of the cripple crew you wanna take for the ride apart from Val and Ekun, who are actually not scuffed in any major way for a change.