Can i get Bartholomew after setting the his prisoner free ?

[Marcos_DS]

Im playing a CG path this time and wondered whether i can still get Bartholomew as an advisor after setting the Troll free ?

[For_Science!]

Your CG ruler may not want Bart as an advisor. His advice is not only strongly LE-aligned, but is also often flat-out short-sighted and stupid. (As opposed to Kanerah, another LE treasurer candidate, who gives much smarter advice.)

As for whether you can win back Bart's trust at this point...I'm not sure. A lawful character definitely could; there's an alignment-restricted conversation choice where you apologize to Bart and promise not to impede his research in the future. As a CG good character, you might be able to win back his trust if you both save his life from the trolls, and also return his whip.

(On my CG playthrough, I made Bart kill the troll test subject, and let Octavia keep the whip. I visited Bart one last tim, as he was packing his things to leave the barony; nothing I could have said at that point would convince him to stay...even if I had wanted him to stay, which I didn't.)

[JODEGAFUN]

Originally posted by For_Science!:

Your CG ruler may not want Bart as an advisor. His advice is not only strongly LE-aligned, but is also often flat-out short-sighted and stupid. (As opposed to Kanerah, another LE treasurer candidate, who gives much smarter advice.)

As for whether you can win back Bart's trust at this point...I'm not sure. A lawful character definitely could; there's an alignment-restricted conversation choice where you apologize to Bart and promise not to impede his research in the future. As a CG good character, you might be able to win back his trust if you both save his life from the trolls, and also return his whip.

(On my CG playthrough, I made Bart kill the troll test subject, and let Octavia keep the whip. I visited Bart one last tim, as he was packing his things to leave the barony; nothing I could have said at that point would convince him to stay...even if I had wanted him to stay, which I didn't.)

Much better at this point, if you have Octavia with you, let her speech without interfering, gives at least some loot.

[nym_moondown]

Yes, you can.
Just ask him to stay when he is packing to leave and he will stay.
Never had him as a treasurer btw, even in my actual (CE) run I made him Grand Diplomat, leaving the treasury to Kenarah.

[hamtidamti]

Originally posted by nym_moondown:

Yes, you can.
Just ask him to stay when he is packing to leave and he will stay.
Never had him as a treasurer btw, even in my actual (CE) run I made him Grand Diplomat, leaving the treasury to Kenarah.

I tried that, but failed. I am playing a CG ranger, made Bartholomew release the troll, came back and saved his life (ironically killing the very same troll), retrieved the whip and returned it to him and still when I asked him to stay he declined. I did not find any option in that conversation to convince him otherwise. Also, there was no way to apologize; in any case, as stated above this seems to be alignment-restricted (although, according to this Guide[www.gamerguides.com] it is a neutral choice, not a lawful one). Did I miss some hidden diplomacy check or something?

Maybe I should't have looted his hidden stash before... he might just have had enough of my constant interference with his work and lack of respect regarding his "property" :-p
I had Octavia with me and all I could do was either let him go or let him being driven nuts by her insolence and attack me. I eventually chose the latter; at least it was fun seeing him explode and worth some nice loot ;-) A pity you do not get the whip back in that case - which makes no sense, but was obviously not implemented.

[nym_moondown]

In my last run (the one I referred in my previous post) I haven't had the whip quest. Also I'm not sure I had to save him...after our first meeting I was quick to end the chapter main quests, so if a I remember well he hadn't any trouble with trolls.
I don't know..maybe I run into a bug..let's see what happens in my actual run. :S

[Marcos_DS]

Thanks everyone, the option to apologize and get him to stay was indeed neutral and he wouldn
t joing me (despite saving him from the trolls and returning the whip), so i let octavia do her thing...