Pathfinder: Kingmaker

Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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Target Mar 8, 2020 @ 4:25pm
Is there a work around for the main quest timer?
Just finished old sycomor cave, by the time I got back to general store in order to gain access to Elk Lords fort, and then I find out I have 6 hours left to complete the main quest, wich is impossible because its on the other side of the map. Is there a work around? Because in order to have enough time to complete this quest I would need to lose hours of progess.

The game didnt even tell me there was a timer on the main quest, there is no narrative justification for it, If there is no work around I think Im uninstalling this game. Im genuenly quite frustrated that the developers gave me a huge game to explore but a practically hidden in game timer that auto fails me if I explore to much before finishing the main quest. This is some of the most horrific game desighn I have ever seen. Was enjoying my build to but if this is what the game is like, planning around timers the game doesnt even tell you about I am done.

Edit: When I wrote this I was pissed, because my file was ruined. Having some time to cool off I will say while I am no fan of this system, at all, I would be willing to give it a chance or in this case a third chance because this was my second character. But What I cant forgive is the poor communication, If I never played an RPG before I might have assumed the 90 limit was serious, but I have played allot of games, the timers are almost never serious. If this game wants to change common conventions it should make that clear from the very get go, and no putting a count down in an optional menue the player has no reason to look at. I agree the timer isnt too tight, I beat it with my first character with out knowing it was their. That doesnt change the fact it is never communicated directly to the player, and any one who played other RPGs could naturally assume its flavor text. I never would have explored in the time wasting mannner I did If I knew there was a timer. (found a boggart dunguen that I couldnt beat, every time I leveled whent back to see if I could take them, every time I couldnt I left instead of loading earlier save, multiplying the time waist.) If you are ging to throw out RPG conventions, please let the player know in certain terms that you are doing so, before you ruin their file.
Last edited by Target; Mar 14, 2020 @ 7:41am
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Mikoshi Mar 8, 2020 @ 4:38pm 
Short of installing a mod of some sort, or messing with your save file. No.

You have 90 days to complete the initial tutorial chapter (which includes stag lord and old sycamore stuff). There's actually a bonus if you complete it within 30. It's also not the only 'timed content', and the 90 days is MUCH more generous than a lot of the other timers that you will end up running into.

My best advice is to NEVER forage for rations, that is probably the biggest newbie trap in the game. Just carry rations from oleg's, and have very defined plans on where you intend to go with your rations before returning to get more. Avoid resting unless you absolutely need to also, if you spent all your spells, but still have enough martial classes to grind up encounters, then keep chugging along.

As an aside, the game DOES tell you about the timers, at least most of them. The primary ones (like the recurring bald hilltop thing, and the 'conquer shrike hills in 90 days') are in your quest log. There are a few others that don't have obvious timers, but are narratively obvious (If you are told there are monsters rampaging around the countryside eating villagers, you kind of need to do something about it immediately, not after you wander off to do something else).
Target Mar 8, 2020 @ 4:41pm 
Ohhh well Im done, heard there were timers, thought they would be explicet when they were in place and reasonable about how and why they existed, turns out they are just there for no reason and you can screw your self over and the game just lets you keep going for hours even though you dont have enough time to finish.
Mikoshi Mar 8, 2020 @ 4:46pm 
Originally posted by Target:
Ohhh well Im done, heard there were timers, thought they would be explicet when they were in place and reasonable about how and why they existed, turns out they are just there for no reason and you can screw your self over and the game just lets you keep going for hours even though you dont have enough time to finish.

This one in particular IS explicit. I'm not 100% certain that the dialogue talks about the three month time limit, but the quest in your log absolutely gives you a timer.

I'd encourage you to just try again, this is probably one of the best RPGs created in the last few decades. And you have not lost THAT much time, a playthrough, even an optimal one, is measured in days of playtime, not hours.

Save at the beginning of each chapter, and expect to fail a few times. The game is VERY ruthless in a lot of respects, especially when it comes to time management and kingdom management.

Alternatively, if you just want the story without the difficulty, drop the difficulty down to story mode, and turn on invincible kingdom.
Target Mar 8, 2020 @ 6:16pm 
Originally posted by Mikoshi:
Originally posted by Target:
Ohhh well Im done, heard there were timers, thought they would be explicet when they were in place and reasonable about how and why they existed, turns out they are just there for no reason and you can screw your self over and the game just lets you keep going for hours even though you dont have enough time to finish.

This one in particular IS explicit. I'm not 100% certain that the dialogue talks about the three month time limit, but the quest in your log absolutely gives you a timer.

I'd encourage you to just try again, this is probably one of the best RPGs created in the last few decades. And you have not lost THAT much time, a playthrough, even an optimal one, is measured in days of playtime, not hours.

Save at the beginning of each chapter, and expect to fail a few times. The game is VERY ruthless in a lot of respects, especially when it comes to time management and kingdom management.

Alternatively, if you just want the story without the difficulty, drop the difficulty down to story mode, and turn on invincible kingdom.

No, and also no. I dont need to or want to bring down the combat difficulty, and even if I did it wouldnt save my file, time cant be affected by the difficulty setting.

This was me giving the game a second chance and I hate it, was enjoying it but the timer completely ruined it, dont punish me for exploring. Balders gate didnt do that, never winter nights didnt do that, PoE didnt do that. Fall Out did but it made it explicet from the out set, not asingle missible line and a quest log you have no reason to check.

If you enjoy the game great, my enjoyment died withmy save file and my ability to explore the game. Uninstalled.
WolfWhiteFire Mar 8, 2020 @ 10:41pm 
Originally posted by Target:
Originally posted by Mikoshi:

This one in particular IS explicit. I'm not 100% certain that the dialogue talks about the three month time limit, but the quest in your log absolutely gives you a timer.

I'd encourage you to just try again, this is probably one of the best RPGs created in the last few decades. And you have not lost THAT much time, a playthrough, even an optimal one, is measured in days of playtime, not hours.

Save at the beginning of each chapter, and expect to fail a few times. The game is VERY ruthless in a lot of respects, especially when it comes to time management and kingdom management.

Alternatively, if you just want the story without the difficulty, drop the difficulty down to story mode, and turn on invincible kingdom.

No, and also no. I dont need to or want to bring down the combat difficulty, and even if I did it wouldnt save my file, time cant be affected by the difficulty setting.

This was me giving the game a second chance and I hate it, was enjoying it but the timer completely ruined it, dont punish me for exploring. Balders gate didnt do that, never winter nights didnt do that, PoE didnt do that. Fall Out did but it made it explicet from the out set, not asingle missible line and a quest log you have no reason to check.

If you enjoy the game great, my enjoyment died withmy save file and my ability to explore the game. Uninstalled.
I will say, the game does tell you about the timer, before you leave for the stolen lands, when you are being given the quest by the Aldori swordlord she mentions that there are others who will try to stop it, and she can only keep them distracted for three months at the most. Also, I didn't know where to buy rations and so always hunted, and did basically every side quest available and every zone in the area, and still finished it quickly enough to get the bonus for taking less than 30 days, only took about 15 I believe. Not sure how you managed to take up all 90 of them, unless you tried to explore the entire game world first rather than just the two regions that chapter 1 takes place in.
Last edited by WolfWhiteFire; Mar 8, 2020 @ 10:43pm
Gromarch Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:32am 
Originally posted by Target:

This was me giving the game a second chance and I hate it, was enjoying it but the timer completely ruined it, dont punish me for exploring. Balders gate didnt do that, never winter nights didnt do that, PoE didnt do that.

If you enjoy the game great, my enjoyment died withmy save file and my ability to explore the game. Uninstalled.


I'm thinking of the timers as the games way to portray that the world doesn't stand still and wait for me. That urgent matters are just that; urgent.
BG and PoE are great games on their own, but for me, the fact that I could dally around, exploring everything as I saw fit, while the events of the world showed an unbelievable patience in waiting for me to show up, was really immersive breaking.
But, to each, their own.
Last edited by Gromarch; Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:33am
nshawmc Mar 9, 2020 @ 7:06am 
It's kind of game breaking but part of the game: just buy rations and eat them when you rest. It will only take 1 hour to rest.
Personally i don't use them they are OP ruin the game.
Only downside is they are heavy so if your group doesnt have much strength you won't be able to carry them.
nshawmc Mar 9, 2020 @ 7:07am 
You could use the mod bag of tricks to disable the timer if you want to cheat.
nshawmc Mar 9, 2020 @ 7:09am 
Also the timer is in the quest log. It's pretty clear.

t's also a very very long time Like you have to really go out of your way to fail or rest after every single combat and run around in circles to fail.
izgule Mar 9, 2020 @ 7:20am 
I understand the game has a main quest time limit, anyway to extend or remove?
Title says it all.
psychotron666 Mar 9, 2020 @ 7:35am 
The game doesn't tell you? Literally the chick tells you that you have 3 months when she sends you off. And then the quest itself has a timer in the journal you can see at any time
Pozhinateli Mar 12, 2020 @ 12:24pm 
For example quest with cyclops does not show any timer. It does not even say what to do. Just give information the kingdom will be doomed soon and suddenly give game over message.
Swordman_Red Mar 12, 2020 @ 12:45pm 
Originally posted by Pozhinateli:
For example quest with cyclops does not show any timer. It does not even say what to do. Just give information the kingdom will be doomed soon and suddenly give game over message.
>Suddenly.
That really reminds me of this legendary scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHdDxKy2QW0
Indure Mar 12, 2020 @ 11:48pm 
Originally posted by Target:

No, and also no. I dont need to or want to bring down the combat difficulty, and even if I did it wouldnt save my file, time cant be affected by the difficulty setting.

This was me giving the game a second chance and I hate it, was enjoying it but the timer completely ruined it, dont punish me for exploring. Balders gate didnt do that, never winter nights didnt do that, PoE didnt do that. Fall Out did but it made it explicet from the out set, not asingle missible line and a quest log you have no reason to check.

If you enjoy the game great, my enjoyment died withmy save file and my ability to explore the game. Uninstalled.

To be clear, this game doesn't punish you for exploring, it punishes you for walking around aimlessly. As long as you are moving through content and not overly resting after every fight you can finish the main quest and complete all quests/ content areas prior to 90 days with ease.
kelmenwong Mar 13, 2020 @ 1:39am 
i used this guide
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968539992
to complete the 1st chapter quest under 30 days, which will yield a enhanced dueling sword from the lord, which is useless to me. not sure got extra award or not.

u can try base on the guide, and u decide whether to complete it within 1 month or not.

my 2nd advice, this game has few other timers quest, always check your journal for new or updated quests.
there are few important timers on kingdom events as well, neglecting them will lower your kingdom stats over 1 or 2 days, and these events can only be attain by certain advisor(s).
always do a save before any events commitment.
the ancient curse event is a PITA for new player, make sure your high priest is available b4 13/14 days near the 1st timer end.
Last edited by kelmenwong; Mar 13, 2020 @ 1:40am
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