Tristian's Channel Positive Energy doing less than minimum healing/damage.

[Wheezel]

I'm at level 6, which means Tristian should be using 3d6 for Channel Positive Energy abilities, meaning a minimum result of 3.

Yet it frequently returns a result of 2 or sometimes even 1.

This is either bugged, or there's some kind of invisible penalty to his positive energy output.

[Wheezel]

Okay, checked the logs, and for some reason it's only giving him 2d6 on the rolls when he should be getting 3d6 at his level.

On top of that, it just straight up told me it got a roll of 1 on 2d6 with no penalties listed.

That's not mathematically possible.

[Wheezel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2011812468

[Drake]

It is, you rolled 1, so you got 2 damage and the skeleton made 1 saving throw and halved it, hence 1. You got very unlicky there.

As for 2d6 instead of 3d6, that is curious. Need to check the rules again. Also you have mods, so maybe some are bugging the skill.

[Babbles]

Could be turn based bug issue?

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

You sure he's level 6 cleric? Maybe verify steam game files. It's not a bug from turn based.

Have you respeced him in vanilla game?

[Wheezel]

He's absolutely a level 6 cleric. Everyone in the party is level 6. I haven't done any respeccing, and I've given him nothing but his standard Cleric levels so far.

[Peelsepuuppi]

You getting 1 is perfectly possible on a 2d6. As you see the other two skeletons get damaged for 2 but the one that succeeded in it's will saving throw got half the damage. Everything is in order in that regard.

Why you are getting 2d6 instead of 3d6 is another matter though.

[Wheezel]

I failed to pick up on the fact that this game presents the halved number after the save as if it was the result of the dice themselves.

But, he's still a level 6 cleric getting 2d6 on his channels.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2012017926

[Wheezel]

Turn Based Combat is the only mod I'm using on this run, so blaming it on mods doesn't seem reasonable.

Also, saving throws don't account for his healing channel doing 1 point sometimes, since you don't roll a saving throw against being healed. I'll try to grab a screen shot of that next time I see it happen.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Wheezel:

Turn Based Combat is the only mod I'm using on this run, so blaming it on mods doesn't seem reasonable.

Also, saving throws don't account for his healing channel doing 1 point sometimes, since you don't roll a saving throw against being healed. I'll try to grab a screen shot of that next time I see it happen.

Yeah but the screen you provided was not a heal, it was a damage against a skeleton

[Stink Bug]

Ecclesitheurge (which is tristian’s archetype) sacrifices the extra channel increase at level 3 for the bonded “symbol” feature:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo-cleric-archetypes/ecclesitheurge/

Owlcat initially forgot to implement that or chose not to, but it seems they patched it in at some point.

And yes as the previous poster stated, enemies harmed by the channel energy feature are allowed a will saving throw to half the damage, negative for living creatures or positive for undead.

[Wheezel]

Originally posted by Stink Bug:

Ecclesitheurge (which is tristian’s archetype) sacrifices the extra channel increase at level 3 for the bonded “symbol” feature:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo-cleric-archetypes/ecclesitheurge/

Owlcat initially forgot to implement that or chose not to, but it seems they patched it in at some point.

That's the explanation I was missing. I was looking at the tooltip for channel and didn't think to check his class features for something that would make that tooltip not true.

Jeebus, playing through this game again is reminding me all over again why I left 3.5/PF behind and never looked back when it comes to actual table top play.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

There is a mod that changes the Ecclesitheurge back to pnp style, but pretty sure it's not the tb mod, and don't remember patch notes from owlcat changing it

[Morgian]

Yes, there was a patch that did something to Tristian, but since it did not repair the initial build, I did not care much. I wish the designers would include well built companions occasionally, but most of them suck in some way since Baldur's Gate.

Anyway, the game math is usually right, and you don't need to play Sherlock after each small thing like this, or you will turn into a rules guru (there is no save against that either) ;)

[Azure]

what do you expect from a wet noodle of character.