Sneak attack

[Seveers]

So you get sneak attack by being a rogue. What does the sneak attack you get each level afterwards change?
Does it work from stealth or just when I attack a target that is already engaged?
Is it worth getting 1 level of rogue for it on my glaive inquisitor?

Also slightly off topic, with a glaive focused inquisitor should I focus more on str or dex? I was thinking of going 15 14 15 10 15 11

[Kowalski]

hi, you can find an explanation here: https://www.gamerguides.com/pathfinder-kingmaker/advanced-gameplay-information/pathfinder-rules-and-terms/sneak-attack

btw, maybe someone could explain better

[Baahb3]

For rogue (and most classes that give out sneak attack) you get an extra 1d6 sneak attack damage every other level. So at 1st level Rogue you are doing +1d6, at 19th Level Rogue you are doing +10d6 damage (average +35 extra damage at lvl 19).

Sneak attack from multiple sources stack.

In this game, you get sneak attack whenever someone is flatfooted (you act before them at the start of combat), denied their dexterity bonus (think held/paralyzed by a spell or effect) or when your Rogue and another ally are attacking the same creature (Flanking). So quite often.

As for your Inquisitor, if he is using a Glaive, he can still get sneak attack when using it. But if you should or not, I don't know if the 1 level dip for +1d6 from rogue (and another 1d6 from Accomplished Sneak Attacker feat) is worth it. That would be your call.

Glaive is a 2 handed weapon that does not allow weapon finesse. I am not aware of any in the game with the Agile property so you will want to focus on Str more than Dex for your Inquisitor.

[dolby]

Sneak just adds extra die damage like Baahb3 explained Works with flanking as well...not just when you hit a flatfooted enemy. IF if you are going to dip to other rogue level s i would go with vivisectionist... but not sure if its worth it you get extra 2 armor and +stats for 10 minutes with that sneak attack...

[Kowalski]

Originally posted by Baahb3:

In this game, you get sneak attack whenever someone is flatfooted (you act before them at the start of combat), denied their dexterity bonus (think held/paralyzed by a spell or effect) or when your Rogue and another ally are attacking the same creature (Flanking)

It is about Flanking bonus, so should be attacked from opposite sides by at least 2 characters

[Baahb3]

@G44, this game does not require you to attack from opposite sides, just attacking the same creature. PnP does, but not this game. You also get the Flanking bonus to hit (+2) if you are just attacking the same creature.

[khinra]

Originally posted by -=G44=- | Kowalski:

Originally posted by Baahb3:

For rogue (and most classes that give out sneak attack) you get an extra 1d6 sneak attack damage every other level. So at 1st level Rogue you are doing +1d6, at 19th Level Rogue you are doing +10d6 damage (average +35 extra damage at lvl 19).

when your Rogue and another ally are attacking the same creature.

It is about Flanking bonus, so should be attacked from opposite sides by at least 2 characters

That is how it SHOULD work yes, but in this game they simplified it so it is enough just to have 2 characters attack the same target. Makes sneak attack VERY powerful, borderline broken tbh and thats not even considering spell sneak attacks which are much worse.

[Baahb3]

Sneak attack also applies to ranged attacks and spells in this game (unfortunately), again unlike PnP. So if you are w/n 30' of your enemy and you are attacking the same creature as your melee ally, sneak attack is applied.

[Kowalski]

Originally posted by Baahb3:

@G44, this game does not require you to attack from opposite sides, just attacking the same creature. PnP does, but not this game. You also get the Flanking bonus to hit (+2) if you are just attacking the same creature.

I never managed to get this bonus without standing opposite sides. I've also seen this tip several times and ofc tried it - no result. maybe there is more conditions.

[dolby]

Originally posted by -=G44=- | Kowalski:

I never managed to get this bonus without standing opposite sides. I've also seen this tip several times and ofc tried it - no result. maybe there is more conditions.

The sneak attack works on flanking enemies anywhere... back front side its all the same...

[haplok]

Originally posted by Baahb3:

Sneak attack also applies to ranged attacks and spells in this game (unfortunately), again unlike PnP. So if you are w/n 30' of your enemy and you are attacking the same creature as your melee ally, sneak attack is applied.

You need two allies in melee with an enemy to get sneaks for ranged attacks/spells.

[puksone]

Normaly sneak attack doesn't stack from different classes but in kingmaker it's stacks. makes class dipping and sneak attack even stronger then it is.

some monsters should be immune to sneak attack bur are just not immun in kingmaker.

[Keyen]

Originally posted by puksone:

Normaly sneak attack doesn't stack from different classes but in kingmaker it's stacks. makes class dipping and sneak attack even stronger then it is.

some monsters should be immune to sneak attack bur are just not immun in kingmaker.

That's plain wrong. Sneak attacks dices stack in pnp, and the monsters who should be immunes are properly immune (like elementals).

Undead are not immune to sneak attacks in pnp.

[kaymarciy]

Originally posted by puksone:

Normaly sneak attack doesn't stack from different classes

Hm, https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m2y6?Sneak-Attack-stacking

[haplok]

Yeah, Pathfinder rules made more enemies susceptible to precision damage. In the old DnD days undead were immune, but in Pathfinder they are not.

[puksone]

Originally posted by Keyen:

Originally posted by puksone:

Normaly sneak attack doesn't stack from different classes but in kingmaker it's stacks. makes class dipping and sneak attack even stronger then it is.

some monsters should be immune to sneak attack bur are just not immun in kingmaker.

That's plain wrong. Sneak attacks dices stack in pnp, and the monsters who should be immunes are properly immune (like elementals).

Undead are not immune to sneak attacks in pnp.

Jeah I wrote that a little missleading. What I meant is that vivi 1 and rogue 1 give you 2d6 sneak attack. In pnp it gives you 1d6 (2 vivi/1 rogue -> 2d6). Well it stacks different than in the pnp.