Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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Gonzo Nov 24, 2018 @ 12:27pm
Sorcerer bronze dragon bloodline BUILD!
I play as pure sorcerer bronze dragon bloodline, and I’m on level 4 so far. However, I have most things planned already. Below are all feats I’m going to take but I am not sure about 2 of them: Metamagic Reach Spell and Combat Casting. Are they good choices? Or maybe it would be better to swap this for Spell Focus and Greater one of Enchantment or something else?

Feats:
Spell Focus
Spell Specialization
Elemental Focus
Greater Spell Focus
Greater Elemental Focus
Spell Penetration
Greater Spell Penetration
Metamagic Empower Spell
Metamagic Maximize Spell
Metamagic Reach Spell
Combat Casting

Bloodline Feat selection:
Improved Initiative
Metamagic Quicken Spell
Toughness

The build is thought around Lightening Chain with bronze draconic bloodline, and spell specialization.
Supporting spells are Lightning bolt, stormbolts and shocking grasp but I am not convinced about the last one. It certainly gets all the nice bonuses of lighting damage boosts but it’s a touch spell therefore dependant on a hit roll. It is questionable if it is useful therefore beginning of the game is quite difficult but mid &late game this character should nuke stuff super easily.

Last edited by Gonzo; Nov 24, 2018 @ 12:35pm
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corisai Nov 24, 2018 @ 12:54pm 
Main char? Include Skill Focus : Persuasion (reloading isn't funny).

Quicken spell is a total and absolute garbage.

To make things in endgame REALLY easy - make him AT. Because +1 on every dice for sneak attack by electricity.
Gonzo Nov 24, 2018 @ 1:10pm 
@corisai
I have skill focus on Persuasion from class sorcerer.

I want to be pure class, but I will at least test the AT as is sounds as an interesting idea.

Finally, quicken spell is from Bloodline Feat pool. In my opinion except Improved Initiative and Toughness there is only bigger garbage but correct me if I’m wrong.
The bloodline feat selection: Blind fight, Great Fortitude, Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Quicken Spell, Skill Focus Mobility, Skill Focus Arcana, Toughness.
provokastoras Nov 24, 2018 @ 1:14pm 
Want to tell you a trick about sorcerers? Start abyssal bloodline dip 1 level in dragon disciple to also pick a dragon bloodline. Yes you loose one caster level but i find 2 bloodlines better than one pkus abyssal bloodline makes your summons stronger than amiri if you specialize for them and you support them with spells from back. But if you want pure damage build dip 1 level rogue pick the feat superior sneak attack and 10 levels arcane trickster. Then activate improptu sneak attack and see your empowered chain your chain lightening hit fir 31 d6 + 19 to to all targets. And your quickened magic missle do 5d4 +12 d6 +5 damage.
Gonzo Nov 24, 2018 @ 1:22pm 
@provokastoras
I saw the build video on YouTube. I was so impressed with it that I needed to try it out. What can I say, apparently it was a bug that is already fixed and starting from sorcerer you can go into dragon disciple only if you have one of the dragon’s bloodline.
Drake Nov 24, 2018 @ 1:24pm 
Originally posted by provokastoras:
Want to tell you a trick about sorcerers? Start abyssal bloodline dip 1 level in dragon disciple to also pick a dragon bloodline. Yes you loose one caster level but i find 2 bloodlines better than one pkus abyssal bloodline makes your summons stronger than amiri if you specialize for them and you support them with spells from back. But if you want pure damage build dip 1 level rogue pick the feat superior sneak attack and 10 levels arcane trickster. Then activate improptu sneak attack and see your empowered chain your chain lightening hit fir 31 d6 + 19 to to all targets. And your quickened magic missle do 5d4 +12 d6 +5 damage.

Pretty sure it doesn't work anymore. Non dragon bloodline sorcerers and eldritch scions can't choose dragon disciple since patch 1.1. And the opposite doesn't work either anymore, like ifyou pick a bard, multiclass as dragon disciple, then multiclassing to scaled fist/sorcerer/eldritch scion will automatically be the dragon disciple bloodline you picked earlier.
provokastoras Nov 24, 2018 @ 2:01pm 
Damn it was not even broken... There is a feat in pathfinder called mudded bloodlines to let you pick 2 bloodlines instead of one. And orc sorcerers are getting an additional 1 to each damage die in pathfinder by core anyway. They should really focus on fixing the bugs first instead of the things people have fun doing...
bkgamingacc Nov 24, 2018 @ 2:15pm 
Never heard of such feat . You sure it isnt 3rd party ?
But i know crossblooded sorc archtype exist that gets 2 bloodlines and some drawbacks aswell.
Last edited by bkgamingacc; Nov 24, 2018 @ 2:16pm
provokastoras Nov 24, 2018 @ 2:17pm 
Yeah that... Sorry.
Gonzo Nov 27, 2018 @ 8:55am 
Ok, this is what I’m standing on now.
Final spell penetration is 25, spells selected to boost charisma for DC, dexterity for Rays + True strike as a “Nuke Launcher” What do you think about this build?
Would you recommend some more spells?

Vivisectionist 1 / Sorcerer 9 / Arcane Trickster 10

Race: elf

Strength: 10
Dexterity: 17 + 1 (first)
Constitution: 12
Intelligence: 12
Wisdom: 7
Charisma: 18 + 4

Lvl1: Sorcerer 1; bloodline bronze/blue;
Sorcerer bonus feat: Spell Focus – Evocation;
Feat: Point-blank Shoot
Level 1 spells: Hurricane Bow > True Strike > Armor > Reduce Person > Mage Armor > Vanish

Lvl2: Vivisectionist 1
Alchemist level 1 spells: Cure Light Wounds; True Strike; Shield; Enlarge Person

Lvl3: Sorcerer 2;
Feat: Precise Shoot

Lvl4: Sorcerer 3

Lvl5: Sorcerer 4;
Feat: Accomplished Sneak Attacker
Access to level 2 spells: Scorching Ray > Sense Vitals > Glitterdust > Mirror Image > Eagle’s Splendor > Cat’s Grace

Lvl6: Arcane Trickster 1

Lvl7: Arcane Trickster 2;
Feat: Spell Specialization
Access to level 3 spells: Lightning Bolt > Haste

Lvl8: Arcane Trickster 3

Lvl9: Arcane Trickster 4;
Feat: Spell Penetration
Access to level 4 spells: Greater Invisibility > Enervation > Dimension Door

Lvl10: Arcane Trickster 5

Lvl11: Arcane Trickster 6;
Feat: Metamagic (Empower Spell)
Access to level 5 spells: Icy Prison > Vampiric Shadow Shield > Cone of Cold (5)

Lvl12: Arcane Trickster 7

Lvl13: Arcane Trickster 8;
Feat: Greater Spell Penetration
Access to level 6 spells: Chain Lightning > Hellfire Ray > Greater Heroism

Lvl14: Arcane Trickster 9

Lvl15: Arcane Trickster 10;
Feat: Metamagic (Maximize Spell)
Access to level 7 spells:

Lvl16: Sorcerer 5

Lvl17: Sorcerer 6;
Feat: Greater Spell Focus
Access to level 8 spells: Stormbolts

Lvl18: Sorcerer 7;
Bloodline Feat: Improved Initiative

Lvl19: Sorcerer 8;
Feat: Metamagic (Heighten Spell)
Access to level 9 spells: Icy Prison-Mass > Fiery Body

Lvl20: Sorcerer 9
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Date Posted: Nov 24, 2018 @ 12:27pm
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