Augment/Superior Summoning & Undead

[aaronmv]

Do these feats work with summoned undead such as those created by Animate Dead?

[Yaldabaoth]

No.

[aaronmv]

Originally posted by Yaldabaoth:

No.

Is that intended or a bug?

[Yaldabaoth]

Originally posted by aaronmv:

Originally posted by Yaldabaoth:

No.

Is that intended or a bug?

Intended. You don't "summon" undead. You "create" or "animate" them. These feats work only with Summon Monster spells.

[Ashley]

Augment/Superior Summoning only affect Conjuration spells. Undead are created with Necromancy spells.

The Necromancy options in this game got kind of shafted.

[76561198249640122]

As others have said, Animate Dead isn't a summoning spell, therefore it doesn't profit from Summoning Feats. In fact, you actually need a corpse to "animate" in order to use the spell in the PnP.

[HeLLfire]

Originally posted by vicethevandal:

As others have said, Animate Dead isn't a summoning spell, therefore it doesn't profit from Summoning Feats. In fact, you actually need a corpse to "animate" in order to use the spell in the PnP.

Has this been actually tested and confirmed ingame?
I agree the PnP ruleset would mean it should not work, but that does not mean the game we're playing haven't coded them in as summoned creatures.

"Easiest" way to test ingame would be to save, create a merc with no summoning feats, cast it, check the combat log for attack bonus\damage to get their base stats.

Then do the same with a merc with summong feat and check if the stats change to take into account augmented summoning stats.

If any spell allows for multiple summonings, just take superior summoning and cast x times and see if you get +1 more then the base should give.

[rumpelstiltskin]

ok so i wasted 2 feats on Harrim and Tristian. it sounded so good to have +4str/+4con on 6 skeleton champions. too good to be true apparently.

[Yaldabaoth]

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

ok so i wasted 2 feats on Harrim and Tristian. it sounded so good to have +4str/+4con on 6 skeleton champions. too good to be true apparently.

Just memorize summon monster instead. Clerics have both.

[rumpelstiltskin]

i don't think it's nearly as useful though. summons usually get one-shot (in fights where you'd need summons to win), and skeletons are useful thanks to their sheer number.

[Riftwalker]

Originally posted by Buster:

Augment/Superior Summoning only affect Conjuration spells. Undead are created with Necromancy spells.

The Necromancy options in this game got kind of shafted.

well it was either that or i'd have like 40 HD worth of bloody skelebros by half game.

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

i don't think it's nearly as useful though. summons usually get one-shot (in fights where you'd need summons to win), and skeletons are useful thanks to their sheer number.

summon a lot of them before you go to battle annd use extend metamagic... (rods preferably). conjure mage gets an extra half HD on duration.(~1.5 rounds per CL) so good to go into a battle and have like 10 dudes spamming lightning while i'm all elec protected...

[rumpelstiltskin]

Originally posted by Riftwalker:

summon a lot of them before you go to battle annd use extend metamagic... (rods preferably). conjure mage gets an extra half HD on duration.(~1.5 rounds per CL) so good to go into a battle and have like 10 dudes spamming lightning while i'm all elec protected...

isn't there a limit like "only one summon of the same type at a time"? or do you mean summons from different spells?