YES Unarmed Magus aka Arcane Monks are a GO!

[Selvokaz]

"Weapon enhancing abilities of Magus, Paladin and ranger archetypes Stormwalker and Flamewarden did not affect unarmed attacks. Resolution: While the rules were ambiguous, we decided that there is no need to limit player selection in this case and made them affect unarmed attacks as well as weapons."


Happy days are here again, happy days are here again!

[Fendelphi]

Out of curiousity, how exactly would you make one?

Seems to me that you would be sacrificing too much by splashing into Magus as a Monk.
Only Eldritch Scion has an attribute synergy(Cha with Scaled Fist), but the damage you gain from a few levels in ES means lower BAB and low spellcasting value(ie, not very powerful spells).

Taking a few more levels in ES means lower unarmed damage(due to fewer monk levels) and fewer monk feats and even lower BAB.

[Selvokaz]

straight Eldritch Scion, preferably, undead bloodline for the DR and Cold Resistance, and spell synergy, the arcane enhancement and weapon property abilities make for up for the rest. monk is just to denounce the idea of using martial or simple weapons, its not a actual monk multiclass. Also Sword Saint is another avenue with unarmed being the chosen weapon of choice.

[Schutzengel]

Unarmed Saint

[Fendelphi]

I ask again, what exactly do you gain by going Monk+Magus? Any multiclassing would delay your primary class, so the benefit needs to be immediate(especially since you would rarely reach level 20 in this game as it is right now).

How would a primarily Monk(or 1 of the other archtypes) character become stronger with a few Magus levels, instead of just focusing on pure Monk?

How would a primarily Magus(or other archtype) character become stronger with 1-2 Monk levels, compared to staying pure Magus?

[Selvokaz]

....... are you just not reading what everyone else is saying?

[corisai]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

How would a primarily Magus(or other archtype) character become stronger with 1-2 Monk levels, compared to staying pure Magus?

Sword Saint will get a ton of AC.

[glennlanderson3]

If you wanted to make an evade tank sword Saint/monk would be a decent option. Crane style, good saves, shield + mirror image, evasion. 2 levels of monk would probably be enough. You could to that before and use a weapon though. But it's an option for unarmed liking players.

[Selvokaz]

maybe i need to clarify, this isn't about multiclassing Monk and Magus, though you certainly can if thats your plan, this is a celebration of the concept of Unarmed Magus and its archetypes finally being able to utilize the class features with Unarmed Strikes, which would essentially make them Arcane Monks.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Schutzengel:

Unarmed Saint

It's called Saint Seiya.

[corisai]

Funny that devs'd said "rules are ambigious". Because we've errata about it :

Magus: When using spell combat, can the weapon in my other hand be an unarmed strike or a natural weapon?

Yes, so long as the weapon is a light or one-handed melee weapon and is associated with that hand. For example, unarmed strikes, claws, and slams are light melee weapons associated with a hand, and therefore are valid for use with spell combat. A tail slap is not associated with a hand, and therefore is not valid for use with spell combat.

—Pathfinder Design Team, 04/05/13

[Selvokaz]

Originally posted by corisai:

Funny that devs'd said "rules are ambigious". Because we've errata about it :

Magus: When using spell combat, can the weapon in my other hand be an unarmed strike or a natural weapon?

Yes, so long as the weapon is a light or one-handed melee weapon and is associated with that hand. For example, unarmed strikes, claws, and slams are light melee weapons associated with a hand, and therefore are valid for use with spell combat. A tail slap is not associated with a hand, and therefore is not valid for use with spell combat.

—Pathfinder Design Team, 04/05/13

Nice!

[Sokuaisushi]

Originally posted by corisai:

Funny that devs'd said "rules are ambigious". Because we've errata about it :

Magus: When using spell combat, can the weapon in my other hand be an unarmed strike or a natural weapon?

Yes, so long as the weapon is a light or one-handed melee weapon and is associated with that hand. For example, unarmed strikes, claws, and slams are light melee weapons associated with a hand, and therefore are valid for use with spell combat. A tail slap is not associated with a hand, and therefore is not valid for use with spell combat.

—Pathfinder Design Team, 04/05/13

I thought it was very interesting they mentioned that too since under Monk it specifically says that:

Originally posted by Pathfinder Unchained:

A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons."

[Waldo]

that sounds really fun, last time I booted this up I had an Aasimar magus ES with an abyssal blood line and just walked over everything with 2-handers (I know it didn't synergize perfectly) with all them stacking buffs and bonuses, be interesting to try it with an unarmed build now, it'll be good fun at least I love how many contradictions this character is, that's the best part