Why is the point buy so low?

[anramses]

Why did they set the point buy so low in this game. You can't make a decent character with 25 points, much less the the 20 points for mercs. It really should be something like 35 / 30.

[Balkoth]

You could always cheat to give yourself more points.

But Pathfinder standard is 20. 25 for heroic. Anything above that is godlike.

[anramses]

Hmm - I consider 35 lowish as that only gets you two 18s, which is kinda gimp.

[thefollowingcharacters]

25 is seen as incredibly powerful in traditional D&D. Anything beyond that is considered an overpowered character.

[anramses]

Umm no - basic fighter needs 18 STR, DEX, CON

[ShroudedInLight]

Originally posted by anramses:

Hmm - I consider 35 lowish as that only gets you two 18s, which is kinda gimp.

Hah, Pathfinder Society is a 20 point buy, and PFS is kinda the golden standard for fair play. 25 for a main character is generous.

Basic Fighter "needs" 16-18 Str, 12+ Dex, and 14+ Con. Even then you can change those stats around to 14 Str, 16-18 Dex, and 12+ Con if you wanted to. Thats a 12 point buy with a racial buff to get to 16 in one stat. 13 points if you decide to make the 12 a 13. That leaves you 7 points to increase your mental stats.

[Iridescence]

Be grateful it isn't like the old days, "roll 3d6 6 times, if your luck sucks and highest roll is a 9 I guess your character is just going to suck at everything...sorry"

[anramses]

Originally posted by Cousin Okri:

Originally posted by anramses:

Hmm - I consider 35 lowish as that only gets you two 18s, which is kinda gimp.

Hah, Pathfinder Society is a 20 point buy, and PFS is kinda the golden standard for fair play. 25 for a main character is generous.

Basic Fighter "needs" 16-18 Str, 12+ Dex, and 14+ Con. Even then you can change those stats around to 14 Str, 16-18 Dex, and 12+ Con if you wanted to. Thats a 12 point buy with a racial buff to get to 16 in one stat. 13 points if you decide to make the 12 a 13.

Serious question? Who would play in gimped campaign like that? 25 is crazy low. Any remotely interesting character needs at LEAST 3 18s minimum.

[solthusx]

Originally posted by Cousin Okri:

Originally posted by anramses:

Hmm - I consider 35 lowish as that only gets you two 18s, which is kinda gimp.

Hah, Pathfinder Society is a 20 point buy, and PFS is kinda the golden standard for fair play. 25 for a main character is generous.

He's saying basic fighter needs to start with 18 in three stats. He's either trolling or is used to very heavy power gaming.

[prof_pessimist]

Kids these days are too interested in op characters. 20 is normal. The items and spells in pathfinder are what increases your stats up high.

This isnt 5e, dont get the two confused

Hes def trolling. 3 18s is insane power gaming

[anramses]

Originally posted by prof_pessimist:

Kids these days are too interested in op characters. 20 is normal. The items and spells in pathfinder are what increases your stats up high.

This isnt 5e, dont get the two confused

I haven't played since 2nd. But for a paladim I would want 18 18 18 10 16 16

[Iridescence]

Originally posted by prof_pessimist:

Kids these days are too interested in op characters. 20 is normal. The items and spells in pathfinder are what increases your stats up high.

This isnt 5e, dont get the two confused

Hes def trolling. 3 18s is insane power gaming

Seriously....Having a natural 18 in *1* stat is supposed to make you a super rare and talented individual.

[Kommissar K]

Originally posted by anramses:

Originally posted by prof_pessimist:

Kids these days are too interested in op characters. 20 is normal. The items and spells in pathfinder are what increases your stats up high.

This isnt 5e, dont get the two confused

I haven't played since 2nd. But for a paladim I would want 18 18 18 10 16 16

Its nice to want things.

But seriously in Pathfidner terminology, your common point buys are:

10 - Low Fantasy
15 - Standard Fantasy
20 - High Fantasy
25 - Epic Fantasy

30 point buys are unheard of in Pathfinder. Clearly you're either trolling, or used to a fairly non-standard table.

Pretty sure Kingmaker, the AP, as written, is intended to be handled by a 4 PC party at a 15 point buy.

[anramses]

Originally posted by Kommissar Klose:

Originally posted by anramses:

I haven't played since 2nd. But for a paladim I would want 18 18 18 10 16 16

Its nice to want things.

But seriously in Pathfidner terminology, your common point buys are:

10 - Low Fantasy
15 - Standard Fantasy
20 - High Fantasy
25 - Epic Fantasy

30 point buys are unheard of in Pathfinder. Clearly you're either trolling, or used to a fairly non-standard table.

Pretty sure Kingmaker, the AP, as written, is intended to be handled by a 4 PC party at a 15 point buy.

never played pathfinder, haven't played tabletop d20 in over 30 years. If you are not playing Monte Hall why bother?

[Midnight]

Originally posted by anramses:

Originally posted by Cousin Okri:

Hah, Pathfinder Society is a 20 point buy, and PFS is kinda the golden standard for fair play. 25 for a main character is generous.

Basic Fighter "needs" 16-18 Str, 12+ Dex, and 14+ Con. Even then you can change those stats around to 14 Str, 16-18 Dex, and 12+ Con if you wanted to. Thats a 12 point buy with a racial buff to get to 16 in one stat. 13 points if you decide to make the 12 a 13.

Serious question? Who would play in gimped campaign like that? 25 is crazy low. Any remotely interesting character needs at LEAST 3 18s minimum.

Yeah, why not randomly mix completely different rulesets.

Every party should contain one queen and two towers, get your head straight Pathfinder!

Did you just wake up from Baldur's Gate induced coma OP?

[solthusx]

Originally posted by Kommissar Klose:

Originally posted by anramses:

I haven't played since 2nd. But for a paladim I would want 18 18 18 10 16 16

Its nice to want things.

But seriously in Pathfidner terminology, your common point buys are:

10 - Low Fantasy
15 - Standard Fantasy
20 - High Fantasy
25 - Epic Fantasy

30 point buys are unheard of in Pathfinder. Clearly you're either trolling, or used to a fairly non-standard table.

Pretty sure Kingmaker, the AP, as written, is intended to be handled by a 4 PC party at a 15 point buy.

IIRC, DnD 3ed. did have 30 point buy as their equivalent of epic fantasy. But the point values are slightly different; it ends up producing the same stats as Pathfindet's 25 point buy.