Two-Weapon Fighting/Shield Bash Bug

[DiakEagle]

I seem to have a bug where Two-Weapon Fighting is not affecting the to-hit penalties for Shield Bash. Using a longsword and heavy shield, I still have the base -6/-10 penalties.

To clarify, I respec'd, using the mod on Nexus, from a dual rapier build to sword/shield. Interestingly enough, the rapier build had a -2/-2 penalty.

Anyone else having this problem?

[Andante]

its not a bug, 2 weapon fighting only works if your off hand is a light weapon. rapier is a light weapon, heavy shield is not.

[Entreri]

That's not true. Even without a light offhand weapon the penalties should be reduced .
It should go to -4,-4.

http://legacy.aonprd.com/coreRuleBook/combat.html

[Andante]

Originally posted by Wraithstrike:

That's not true. Even without a light offhand weapon the penalties should be reduced .
It should go to -4,-4.

http://legacy.aonprd.com/coreRuleBook/combat.html

hmm maybe the game isn't registering the heavy shield with 2 weapon fighting, have you tried light shield and see if it works?

[wendigo211]

No, Two-Weapon Fighting is supposed to reduce the dual wielding penalties by +2/+6 taking the dual wield penalties from -6/-10 to -4/-4. Using a light weapon in the off hand reduces the penalties by +2/+2. So dual wielding longswords would be -6/-10 (-4/-4 with two-weapon fighting); dual wielding a longsword and a shortsword would be -4/-8 (-2/-2 with two-weapon fighting).

Anyway, it looks like the last patch broke TWF. If you take the ITWF, the game treats you as if you don't have the TWF feat. It did this occasionally before the last patch (Linzi was broken for me, but not my other dual wielders), but after the last patch all my dual wielders with ITWF are broken.

[Grifta]

Also hit some stuff and check the rolls. Some of the numbers are bugged in the character sheets, but works on the hits

[Andante]

Originally posted by Grifta:

Also hit some stuff and check the roles. Some of the numbers are bugged in the character sheets, but works on the hits

hmmm you said it looked fine before you respec, are you sure its not a display bug related to the respec mod?

[wendigo211]

Originally posted by Grifta:

Also hit some stuff and check the roles. Some of the numbers are bugged in the character sheets, but works on the hits

No, with TWF it affects the rolls as well. My DPS against the Wild Hunt took a sudden and unwanted dip.

[[TGC] MadGod]

Unless the same bug does not creep up without a modded save, it is doubious at best.

[wendigo211]

Originally posted by TGC MadGod:

Unless the same bug does not creep up without a modded save, it is doubious at best.

My save isn't modded. I'm also not the only person who's noticed it: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/1734342161851300175/?ctp=5#c1734342161851971088
Here’s the post I made about it when I first encountered the TWF not working bug:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/5/1730963192540125985/

[Entreri]

I have a shield build. I'll test it out with my light shield. If it's messed up that's another bug to report.

[TyranicalMastermind]

I had linzi with twf dual longswords mostly because its hillarious but yeah I was dissapointed to see she wasn't at -4/-4 but -6/-10 sadface. Something went seriously wrong with the feats last update I think because now everyone could select wings in the feat section as well.

[[TGC] MadGod]

Ow...that is indeed a nasty bug then and you should mail it to owlcat to fix.

The wings thing is more hilariious. I would make a winged dwarf bard if it were no bug. Just to imagine how that looks like..

[solthusx]

Its not just the Wings feat, now anyone can select any race specific feat.

[Sarah Walker]

This works fine for me. -4/-4 for Longsword+Heavy Shield, -2/-2 for Longsword+Light Shield with all TWF, ITWF and GTWF feats.

Only thing that is still broken is Shield Master, which should make it -2/+0 regardless what shield I'm holding.

[TyranicalMastermind]

Originally posted by TGC MadGod:

Ow...that is indeed a nasty bug then and you should mail it to owlcat to fix.

The wings thing is more hilariious. I would make a winged dwarf bard if it were no bug. Just to imagine how that looks like..

lol that would be pretty great, I gave harem wings at lvl 7 because I wondered what kind of wings a dwarf who worships groetus would get but sadly they did not have a visual element (he did recieve the bonuses though)