Spellstrike / Spell Combat

[Derzak]

Can anyone with a Magus in their party confirm that those two work as intended together? I'm pretty sure I should be getting two melee attacks whenever I use a touch spell (normal melee attack that can be followed by a spell because of Spell Combat that can, in turn, be delivered with a melee attack instead of a touch attack because of Spellstrike) yet all I'm getting is a single melee attack charged with whatever touch spell I used.

[Player333676]

引用自 OCJeriko：

Remember it's only on full attacks, so if your character moves you won't get both attacks off.

For me it also works with moving. I can move up to an enemy, then use a spell and my normal melee attacks in the same round. That's also how the rules state it:

"Can a magus use spellstrike to cast a touch spell, move, and make a melee attack with a weapon to deliver the touch spell, all in the same round?

Yes. Other than deploying the spell with a melee weapon attack instead of a melee touch attack, the magus spellstrike ability doesn’t change the normal rules for using touch spells in combat. So, just like casting a touch spell, a magus could use spellstrike to cast a touch spell, take a move toward an enemy, then (as a free action) make a melee attack with his weapon to deliver the spell."

[Agent.0.Fortune]

I am really struggling with this. As far as I can tell, if I have both Spell Combat, and Spell Strike my character just swings his sword.

If I have Spell Combat toggled, but Spell Strike off, with Shocking Grasp Toggled my character should attack at -2, and cast Shocking Grasp (as touch attack, with concentration roll, and no critical chance) - need to test and verify this because I am afraid it will just cast Shocking Grasp without the sword attack.

If I have Spell Strike toggled, but Spell Combat off, with Shocking Grasp toggled, I expect to cast Shocking Grasp (concentration check) but with a single melee (not touch) attack that applies to both Sword and Spell and allows spell crits (spells being 2x multiplier regardless of weapon multiplier)

And if I have all three toggled: Spell Combat, Spell Strike, Shocking Grasp; the rules seem to indicate that Spell Combat takes precedence, all available melee attacks at -2 then cast Shocking grasp.

At some point I attempted to integrate Dragon Heritage Claws into the mix, but I was never able to get the claws to work (even with everything else toggled off), he just kept attacking with sword.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

Only thing to make sure is the distance you may be walking is in the one round from casting and delivering the free attack. If it's more than your move, it'll be going into the next round and no free attack.. But you should still get the melee attack damage and the spell damage

[nshawmc]

I think that as long as you do not move you do two in one round.
The description says full action. full action includes movement so if you do any movement you can't do a full action ability? not on game right now so can't test but consider that.

[Player333676]

引用自 nshawmc：

I think that as long as you do not move you do two in one round.
The description says full action. full action includes movement so if you do any movement you can't do a full action ability? not on game right now so can't test but consider that.

No, you can move, cast and use a spell, and do your melee attacks all in the same round. That's the same as in tabletop:

"Can a magus use spellstrike to cast a touch spell, move, and make a melee attack with a weapon to deliver the touch spell, all in the same round?

Yes. Other than deploying the spell with a melee weapon attack instead of a melee touch attack, the magus spellstrike ability doesn’t change the normal rules for using touch spells in combat. So, just like casting a touch spell, a magus could use spellstrike to cast a touch spell, take a move toward an enemy, then (as a free action) make a melee attack with his weapon to deliver the spell."

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

" while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand. As a full-round action, he can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty). "

make sure he's weilding a light weapon, ie a rapier, as an example this could be effecting the process.

[Player333676]

引用自 AzureTheGamerKobold：

" while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand. As a full-round action, he can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty). "

make sure he's weilding a light weapon, ie a rapier, as an example this could be effecting the process.

"Light OR one-handed melee". For me, it also works with a longsword etc.

[Player333676]

Also, you have to order your character to attack the enemy. If you just cast a (melee touch) spell on him, you character will cast the spell but not do any melee attacks. You also have to order your character to engage the enemy (so that you will see the green line between your character and the enemy) to use spell combat.

[Goilveig]

引用自 Player333676：

引用自 nshawmc：

I think that as long as you do not move you do two in one round.
The description says full action. full action includes movement so if you do any movement you can't do a full action ability? not on game right now so can't test but consider that.

No, you can move, cast and use a spell, and do your melee attacks all in the same round. That's the same as in tabletop:

"Can a magus use spellstrike to cast a touch spell, move, and make a melee attack with a weapon to deliver the touch spell, all in the same round?

Yes. Other than deploying the spell with a melee weapon attack instead of a melee touch attack, the magus spellstrike ability doesn’t change the normal rules for using touch spells in combat. So, just like casting a touch spell, a magus could use spellstrike to cast a touch spell, take a move toward an enemy, then (as a free action) make a melee attack with his weapon to deliver the spell."

That isn't how tabletop works, unless your movement consists ONLY of the 5-foot step action. Spell Combat is a full round action, and if you take a full round action, this replaces both your standard and move actions, so you cannot move (except the 5-foot step, which is a bonus action that is only usable if you don't otherwise move in the round).

In the example you're quoting, they assume you are using spellstrike without spell combat. That is, you are casting (with a standard action), moving (with a move action), and you get one and only one attack (the free action touch attack allowed because you cast a touch spell this turn, which spellstrike turns into a free action melee attack).

In order to use both together in tabletop, you either need to begin in melee range, or begin 5 feet away from the target. It is permitted in tabletop to use spell combat (as a full round action), cast your spell, take a 5 foot step (which is allowed to be done in the middle of a full round action), use the free attack from Spellstrike, and then finish the full-round action by using all your other attacks as if you had done a full attack (with appropriate penalties).

In tabletop, it is technically possible to move more than 5 feet and use both Spellstrike and Spell Combat, but certainly not easily. For example, this works if you have the Dimensional Agility feat & some preparation:
* Use Spell Combat to cast Dimension Door and teleport to your destination (Dimensional Agility means this won't end your turn)
* Use a swift action to cast a touch spell that you prepared with Quicken metamagic, and use the free Spellstrike attack
* Take your normal attacks as per Spell Combat