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Lilem Sep 27, 2018 @ 12:45pm
How do I use metamagic?
Topic says it all: how can I use metamagic to improve my spells?

I've decided to try out Sylvan Sorcerer. I've read some info and guides on the internet and found some feats required to make it work. As such, I picked Metamagic: Reach as one of my level 1 feats.

However, I don't understand how I can "toggle" the metamagic on. There is literally no explanation about this in the game whatsoever. I've tried clicking everything and pressing the spell button with different keys to activate the Reach metamagic and buff my companion from range: it just doesn't happen. What am I doing wrong?
Originally posted by IEatCereal:
On the bottom right of your spellbook is the metamagic button. Click the button :steamhappy:.You then You do actually need to be able to cast spells of a higher level than the original spell eg: three levels higher for maximise spells. You then make a "custom" higher cast level copy of the spell by combining the spell with the metamagic feat you want the spell to have. The spell then appears at the appropriate higher level tab as a selectable spell (as well as on your favourites tab) eg: the level one spell now also has a maximised version on level 4. You can delete the custom spell at any time.
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IEatCereal Sep 27, 2018 @ 12:56pm 
On the bottom right of your spellbook is the metamagic button. Click the button :steamhappy:.You then You do actually need to be able to cast spells of a higher level than the original spell eg: three levels higher for maximise spells. You then make a "custom" higher cast level copy of the spell by combining the spell with the metamagic feat you want the spell to have. The spell then appears at the appropriate higher level tab as a selectable spell (as well as on your favourites tab) eg: the level one spell now also has a maximised version on level 4. You can delete the custom spell at any time.
Lilem Sep 27, 2018 @ 1:00pm 
Originally posted by IEatCereal:
On the bottom right of your spellbook is the metamagic button. Click the button :steamhappy:.You then You do actually need to be able to cast spells of a higher level than the original spell eg: three levels higher for maximise spells. You then make a "custom" higher cast level copy of the spell by combining the spell with the metamagic feat you want the spell to have. The spell then appears at the appropriate higher level tab as a selectable spell (as well as on your favourites tab) eg: the level one spell now also has a maximised version on level 4. You can delete the custom spell at any time.

Oh my god THANK YOU. I would've never noticed this little thingy in the spellbook! I do realize I need to be higher level to cast spells with metamagic (Reach requires +1 level), but still, the game says nothing about metamagic at all!
Thank you again, you saved me.
Shadowl0rd Sep 29, 2018 @ 6:08pm 
Thanks you so much, I had the same problem...
SalazarWindriver Nov 11, 2018 @ 6:14pm 
So I am playing a sorcerer and I it's not showing me the new spell in my spellbook or on any of my hot bars
SalazarWindriver Nov 11, 2018 @ 6:25pm 
nevermind it just didn't load right after creating it
Rage Jan 31, 2019 @ 9:14am 
sooo the metamagic function is not a feat in its own? meaning with out selecting a feat its pretty much pointless to use meta spells, or have them in that list? {Asking for a Baron}
IEatCereal Jan 31, 2019 @ 10:07am 
Originally posted by Rage:
sooo the metamagic function is not a feat in its own? meaning with out selecting a feat its pretty much pointless to use meta spells, or have them in that list? {Asking for a Baron}
You need to have selected one of the metamagic feats on lvl up. You can't do metamagic without having at least one of the feats except if you're using a rod, or using one of the universalist wizards x charges a day use x of those charges to do metamagic abilities. Once you've selected say empower then you need to click on the button on the bottom right that's beneath the spellbook.
Last edited by IEatCereal; Jan 31, 2019 @ 10:09am
Gravedancer Jan 31, 2019 @ 11:36am 
Originally posted by Lilem:
Originally posted by IEatCereal:
On the bottom right of your spellbook is the metamagic button. Click the button :steamhappy:.You then You do actually need to be able to cast spells of a higher level than the original spell eg: three levels higher for maximise spells. You then make a "custom" higher cast level copy of the spell by combining the spell with the metamagic feat you want the spell to have. The spell then appears at the appropriate higher level tab as a selectable spell (as well as on your favourites tab) eg: the level one spell now also has a maximised version on level 4. You can delete the custom spell at any time.

Oh my god THANK YOU. I would've never noticed this little thingy in the spellbook! I do realize I need to be higher level to cast spells with metamagic (Reach requires +1 level), but still, the game says nothing about metamagic at all!
Thank you again, you saved me.


Note that you can also find (and buy) metamagic rods, which if you can obtain them, are far superior to using the feats as you get the same effect but dont need to take a higher level spell slot.

Nogard669 Dec 24, 2019 @ 9:47am 
What about using items that grant metamagic? I am trying to use Leviathan's Gift (the robes that allow up to 6 spells of up to level 6 to be maximized each day) and can not figure out how to get it to function.
Mork Dec 24, 2019 @ 9:54am 
Originally posted by Nogard669:
What about using items that grant metamagic? I am trying to use Leviathan's Gift (the robes that allow up to 6 spells of up to level 6 to be maximized each day) and can not figure out how to get it to function.
The robe ability will be in the hidden ability tab, just above your quick bar. You can then drag it to your quick bar. You just click on it and your next spell(s) are going to be maximize with no penalty.

Its a very strong robe, you can use the robe maximizing ability + a empower rod at the same time. Like a empower + maximizing chain lightning at level 11.
This is not really helping me. I've got a lvl2 sorcerer and while I've got a version of flames and magic missile for level 4 I'm literally not seeing it absolutely anywhere that I can cast it. How am I even supposed to be able to cast these? They're still only showing up as lvl1 even after I went to the metamagic tab and wrote the lvl4 spells to my book
Mork Apr 16, 2020 @ 9:08pm 
Originally posted by BlackSun:
This is not really helping me. I've got a lvl2 sorcerer and while I've got a version of flames and magic missile for level 4 I'm literally not seeing it absolutely anywhere that I can cast it. How am I even supposed to be able to cast these? They're still only showing up as lvl1 even after I went to the metamagic tab and wrote the lvl4 spells to my book
A spell that is augmented with metamagic become a higher level spell and need a higher caster level to be use.

For example, metamagic empower augment the damage by 50% but also augment the spell level by 2. A empower magic missiles will become a spell level 3 and a sorcerer will need to be caster level 6+ since it's at that class level they get access to that spell level.
Azure Apr 16, 2020 @ 9:40pm 
Metamagic isn't a low level thing since you don't have the slots to cast it really, You can start to get the feats but its more of plan now to use later choice.
Edstyles Apr 16, 2020 @ 10:19pm 
Well the extend meta can be nice to be used early.
Last edited by Edstyles; Apr 16, 2020 @ 10:21pm
Originally posted by Mork:
Originally posted by BlackSun:
This is not really helping me. I've got a lvl2 sorcerer and while I've got a version of flames and magic missile for level 4 I'm literally not seeing it absolutely anywhere that I can cast it. How am I even supposed to be able to cast these? They're still only showing up as lvl1 even after I went to the metamagic tab and wrote the lvl4 spells to my book
A spell that is augmented with metamagic become a higher level spell and need a higher caster level to be use.

For example, metamagic empower augment the damage by 50% but also augment the spell level by 2. A empower magic missiles will become a spell level 3 and a sorcerer will need to be caster level 6+ since it's at that class level they get access to that spell level.
Wait so in other words it's completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ useless. Well ♥♥♥♥. So in other words literally the only point of this thing is if you're multiclassing and took
no wait based on the description of what you're saying it needs to be actually classed in sorcerer up to that level.

What is even the point of metamagic then?
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Date Posted: Sep 27, 2018 @ 12:45pm
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