playable races and classes

[kagai_yami]

okay so ive got loads of questions here to do with these two topics. first off what are the playable races? ive never been one for playing the core races so thats a pretty big deal for me with pathfinder. ive also recently taken to the race builder in pathfinder. is that integrated here? if not any chance of it being integrated? ((not a deal breaker for me obviously))

second what are the playable classes? do these classes have architypes? ((like can i play a savage warrior fighter?)) can i multi class? ((sw-fighter draconic bloodline sorc)) are there prestige classes? ((if you cant tell ya i want to play a melee based dragon disciple lol)) and is there a gestalt mode?

[kagai_yami]

could someone please answer my questions?

[Meeky]

Playable races:
Aasimar
Elf
Dwarf
Gnome
Half-Elf
Half-Orc
Halfling
Human

And that's it. No alternate racial features. Still, covers the basics.

As far as the classes:

Alchemist (Core, Grenadier, Vivisectionist, Chirurgeon)
Barbarian (Core, Armored Hulk, Mad Dog, Invulnerable Rager)
Bard (Core, Archaelogist, Thundercaller, Flame Dancer)
Cleric (Core, Crusader, Herald Caller, Eccleisithurge)
Druid (Core, Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker)
Fighter (Core, Aldori Defender, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter)
Inquisitor (Core, Monster Tactician, Tactical Leader, Sacred Huntsmaster)
Magus (Core, Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint, Eldritch Archer)
Monk (Core, Scaled Fist, Sensei, Traditional Monk)
Paladin (Core, Divine Hunter, Hospitaler, Divine Guardian)
Ranger (Core, Freebooter, Flamewarden, Stormwalker)
Rogue (Core, Eldritch Scoundrel, Knife Master, Thug)
Sorcerer (Core, Empyreal Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer)
Wizard (Core, Arcane Bomber, Thassilonian Specialist, Scroll Savant)

And finally prestige classes:

Arcane Trickster
Stalwart Defender
Eldritch Knight
Dragon Disciple
Mystic Theurge
Duelist

And there you have it. Now note, several of the archetypes are what I would call "Trap Options." For instance - Arcane Bomber? Tower Shield Specialist? What the actual crayon? However, there's generally speaking a lot of good options to pursue.

Humans, of course, are still the master player race as always. Freaking bonus feat makes me so mad sometimes. My halflings never measure up next to humans of the same build!

(Except that one halfling slinger warpriest I made in tabletop using that halfling sling style feat chain and that Startoss Style stuff. Oof, that was delicious.)

[Averagedog]

Originally posted by Meeky:

Humans, of course, are still the master player race as always. Freaking bonus feat makes me so mad sometimes. My halflings never measure up next to humans of the same build!

(Except that one halfling slinger warpriest I made in tabletop using that halfling sling style feat chain and that Startoss Style stuff. Oof, that was delicious.)

What do you think it would take to balance humans?

[kagai_yami]

well better than i had originally heard about this game ((heard it was just the core races and base classes)) still disappointing. pathfinder has so many more options than that, is why its my prefered table top game. making a video game that has maybe a third of the options makes it no different from 5e in my opinion. ((5e is watered down crap)) only way i coulda gotten this game was if i could actually build my favorite build from table top ((not including gestalt or race builder))

oh well yet another half assed D&D game.

thanx for answering my questions.

[Grymm]

Welcome to the 21st century, where you can sell the 'base' game, then sell all the other 'could have been included' nonsense in expansions / DLC. Harder to sell all the extra stuff if you include everything in the initial release.

That said, if you didn't know PF at all, the # of classes / races available compares favorably to any other CRPG out of the box.

[Lokiel]

There's no tiefling? Shame...

[Meeky]

well better than i had originally heard about this game ((heard it was just the core races and base classes)) still disappointing. pathfinder has so many more options than that, is why its my prefered table top game. making a video game that has maybe a third of the options makes it no different from 5e in my opinion. ((5e is watered down crap)) only way i coulda gotten this game was if i could actually build my favorite build from table top ((not including gestalt or race builder))

This is a... a huge wealth of options compared to all the CRPGs of the past that come to mind. You have tons, tons of choices. Did you really expect to have every class, race, and feat from Pathfinder included in this game right out the box?

I do want more out of the options that are presented, but to set the expectation of "I want every option that exists in Pathfinder available to me" is quite frankly a silly proposition.

[Lokiel]

By the way, quick question since I don't know PNP Pathfinder: is there an equivalent to the warlock in there?

[mishona]

I would have expected to be able to play all the ACG classes. I also would have expected slings to be a thing. Oh, also not calling halflings 'gnomes' in their racial abilities. Oh, and weight scaling on equipment to be a thing if they were going to impliment encumberance.

[wulfster42]

I wouldn't say Human is always the best.

I personally like Dwarf for monks since they get +2 con and +2 wisdom. Thats like getting the toughness feat for free and +1 fort saves (from the +2 con), while still actually being able to get the toughness feat. Dwarves also have other advantages (better saves vs spells, which for a monk epsecially (with evasion) is great.

There are a few other cases like that, Clerics and fighter/cleric hybrids for instance (again Dwarf really shines for that)....Human isn't always the best. Extra feat is nice, but if you already are getting bonus feats from fighter/monk etc levels, it's not as huge of a deal....and like I said....+2 in another stat may actually end up being worth more then a feat anyway.

[kagai_yami]

im not exactly expecting all the options. i honestly would be surprized if mythic, gestalt, race builder, and class builder were included. but i figured id ask on at least 2 of those options since they are options i enjoy.

however do i expect at least core, featured, uncommon, and standard races? yes. do i expect the core, base, alternate, hybrid, and the wealth of prestige classes and the wealth of architypes for each but the prestige classes? absolutely. all spells and feats that a normal lvl 1 - 20 character would have access to? of course. why do i expect these things? because they are infact pretty basic.

but they dont even have full access to the races and classes they do have and dont even have half of the prestige classes. you want dlc and expansions? epic levels. add a mythic campaign. add gestalt mode. and heck. about several campaigns while we're at it. both lvl 1-20 and epic level. ((im fully aware of paizo's stance on epic levels. still think they should be in the game. is partially why my group has merged a great deal of 3.5 into our games)) i remember the expansions for games like baulders gate, neverwinter nights 1 and 2. games like that. they didnt seem to have a problem with releasing expansions without cutting content that should be in the base game. so as i said. this game is half assed.

edit: they had an oppertunity to create a highly complex D&D style game the likes of which we've never seen before. with more options than any before it. they had an oppertunity to set a new standard for this type of game. they chose to do the bare minimum.

[White Shadow]

NO FAVORED SOUL = NO BUY

But in all seriousness, it has a decent amount of content for a "base game."

[Duck Whitman]

Can you mulit-class? I want to beat stuff up with my Bard/Sorcerer.

[kagai_yami]

i wont deny it has a decent amount of content when compared to other crpg's. this isnt about those games. this is about what pathfinder is and should be.

[Tirien66]

I wish I had read what the classes and races were before I impulse bought the game, honestly. I was expecting more of the less normal classes that pathfinder has compared to, say, dnd. Such as Summoner and Oracle, and Kitsune race, off the top of my head. As much as im loving this game, im incredibly sad the level of variety I was hoping for isnt here.