Short swords do slashing damage??

[Sever]

Short swords seem to be doing slashing damage in the game, but I thought they were a piercing weapon in Pathfinder pnp.

[Greybishop]

You are correct. The pfsrd states the short sword is piercing.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/

[Sever]

I hope the devs fix this then. I'd like to deal piercing damage with short swords.

[GreyFox]

Actually that's about the only good thing POE does is having weapons actually be able to do both.

Consider that you can clearly thrust and cut with...cut and thrust weapons lol. I mean you should be doing whichever technique is the most beneficial vs which enemy as that's how a trained warrior would operate.....

They didn't follow base PnP rules for much of anything so adding the multi damage types in would be just a flat out improvement to the game and would be just cool anyway.

I do wish these guys had a bigger budget, it's a shame it's in it's current state as if you could magic wand the game into just the usual ui bugs and a here and there medium priority bug(s) it would be one of the more enjoyable CRPGs that's been done. There's just too much all over the place at multiple layers wrong with it.

Short swords doing proper damage would be actually something they could look at if it wasn't in such a disaster state atm where you can't finish the game and a lot of people as we speak are getting super characters b/c of the buff/item bug. People are gonna be having a ♥♥♥♥ ton of progress as their super characters solo the hardest ♥♥♥♥ in the game and in a funny twist of irony the "THIS GAME IS TOO EASY" posts are a coming.

[Greybishop]

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

Actually that's about the only good thing POE does is having weapons actually be able to do both.

That is the thing though is that shorts swords should only do piercing damage. You know what you call a short sword that does piercing and slashing? A gladius.

Seriously, that is the difference. That is what set the Roman short sword apart from the others and why in large part it helped it be remembered. Because it could be used to cut and the thrust, when most short swords at the time were basicly handheld spearheads.

[Bijat]

Originally posted by Greybishop:

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

Actually that's about the only good thing POE does is having weapons actually be able to do both.

That is the thing though is that shorts swords should only do piercing damage. You know what you call a short sword that does piercing and slashing? A gladius.

Seriously, that is the difference. That is what set the Roman short sword apart from the others and why in large part it helped it be remembered. Because it could be used to cut and the thrust, when most short swords at the time were basicly handheld spearheads.

ehm shortswords was NOT handheld spearheads LOL. Earliest shortsword i found info about is 2500 BC while gladius was first a thing 200 BC.

[Bijat]

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/weapons1.htm
Qute a few of greek bronze age swords look alot like gladius aswell.

[Greybishop]

Originally posted by Bijat:

Originally posted by Greybishop:

That is the thing though is that shorts swords should only do piercing damage. You know what you call a short sword that does piercing and slashing? A gladius.

Seriously, that is the difference. That is what set the Roman short sword apart from the others and why in large part it helped it be remembered. Because it could be used to cut and the thrust, when most short swords at the time were basicly handheld spearheads.

ehm shortswords was NOT handheld spearheads LOL. Earliest shortsword i found info about is 1000 BC while gladius was first a thing 200 BC.

I said they were basicly handheld spearheads. That is how they were used, as piercing weapons have been used, similar to how spears were used, in a manner with shields if that region used shields, just with a much shorter reach. Ta-da. Intrecept incoming blow, thrust. Hoplite tactics, adjusted with the maniple system during the Manius reforms

Short swords were used a lot earlier than 1000 B.C. The first account of the gladius comes from Livy and the account is roughly from 366-341 B.C. (Livy isn't the most accurate datist, also early Roman Republic dates go by consulships and not by years).

[GreyFox]

Originally posted by Greybishop:

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

Actually that's about the only good thing POE does is having weapons actually be able to do both.

That is the thing though is that shorts swords should only do piercing damage. You know what you call a short sword that does piercing and slashing? A gladius.

Seriously, that is the difference. That is what set the Roman short sword apart from the others and why in large part it helped it be remembered. Because it could be used to cut and the thrust, when most short swords at the time were basicly handheld spearheads.

Not sure if serious rofl.

Short swords are based off of Medieval arming swords. A cut and thrust weapon.

https://www.google.com/search?q=arming+sword&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS761US761&oq=arming+sword&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.1095j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Bijat]

Originally posted by Greybishop:

Originally posted by Bijat:

ehm shortswords was NOT handheld spearheads LOL. Earliest shortsword i found info about is 1000 BC while gladius was first a thing 200 BC.

I said they were basicly handheld spearheads. That is how they were used, as piercing weapons have been used, similar to how spears were used, in a manner with shields if that region used shields, just with a much short reach. Ta-da. Intrecept incoming blow, thrust. Hoplite tactics, adjusted with the maniple system during the Manius reforms

Short shorts were used a lot earlier than 1000 B.C. The first account of the gladius comes from Livy and the account is roughly from 366-341 B.C. (Livy isn't the most accurate datist, also early Roman Republic dates go by consulships and not by years).

We have no idea how they used swords in combat that far back...1000 BC and befor. It´s still debated alot if romans slashed with ther gladius at some point. Qute afew of those early bronze swords woud totaly be decent cutters so simply stating they where only used for piercing is abit silly. If they did not use shields i have a hard time seeing them using swords like Romans/spear becuse how you block for the most part open up for alot of cutting attacks aswell & simply rushing and trying to pierce with a shortsword won´t work.

[GreyFox]

Also D&D/Pathfinder is based off Medieval times some stretching into the renaissance so 8-17th century. Most of the weapons will be based around here and not the Classical period.

The gladius can be used to slash but if you're up on your Roman history you'll know they mostly thrust with it, specifically aiming for the abdomen such as you'll find from Polybius (among many others).

[Greybishop]

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

Originally posted by Greybishop:

That is the thing though is that shorts swords should only do piercing damage. You know what you call a short sword that does piercing and slashing? A gladius.

Seriously, that is the difference. That is what set the Roman short sword apart from the others and why in large part it helped it be remembered. Because it could be used to cut and the thrust, when most short swords at the time were basicly handheld spearheads.

Not sure if serious rofl.

Short swords are based off of Medieval arming swords. A cut and thrust weapon.

https://www.google.com/search?q=arming+sword&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS761US761&oq=arming+sword&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.1095j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

In the words of dragonfleetusa, "Not sure if serious rofl."

The shortsword has been around almost as long as humans have been working metal.

Medieval arming swords were based off of earlier medieval ba$tard swords (Steam auto censors, so...), which were based off the long Roman cavalry sword, which could be influenced off the Germanic longswords or the otherway around. Influences can tricky things.

I would keep debating with both of you, both neither of you know your history and I am not here to teach you. Seriously, go read something and stop linking pictures.

[GreyFox]

Originally posted by Bijat:

Originally posted by Greybishop:

I said they were basicly handheld spearheads. That is how they were used, as piercing weapons have been used, similar to how spears were used, in a manner with shields if that region used shields, just with a much short reach. Ta-da. Intrecept incoming blow, thrust. Hoplite tactics, adjusted with the maniple system during the Manius reforms

Short shorts were used a lot earlier than 1000 B.C. The first account of the gladius comes from Livy and the account is roughly from 366-341 B.C. (Livy isn't the most accurate datist, also early Roman Republic dates go by consulships and not by years).

We have no idea how they used swords in combat that far back...1000 BC and befor. It´s still debated alot if romans slashed with ther gladius at some point. Qute afew of those early bronze swords woud totaly be decent cutters so simply stating they where only used for piercing is abit silly. If they did not use shields i have a hard time seeing them using swords like Romans/spear becuse how you block for the most part open up for alot of cutting attacks aswell & simply rushing and trying to pierce with a shortsword won´t work.

Yea the bronze weapons tend to be too soft to want to thrust too often and in the slash they still bend but bend back and don't snap. They hold up well. There are a lot of weapons based channels on YT that do a good job going over this. Several HEMA instructors and history teachers on there. Scholagladiatoria, Metatron(is from Italy), etc.

[GreyFox]

Originally posted by Greybishop:

Originally posted by dragonfleetusa:

Not sure if serious rofl.

Short swords are based off of Medieval arming swords. A cut and thrust weapon.

https://www.google.com/search?q=arming+sword&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS761US761&oq=arming+sword&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.1095j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

In the words of dragonfleetusa, "Not sure if serious rofl."

The shortsword has been around almost as long as humans have been working metal.

Medieval arming swords were based off of earlier medieval ba$tard swords (Steam auto censors, so...), which were based off the long Roman cavalry sword, which could be influenced off the Germanic longswords or the otherway around. Influences can tricky things.

I would keep debating with both of you, both neither of you know your history and I am not here to teach you. Seriously, go read something and stop linking pictures.

Oh ok he's trolling lol.

Bastard sword is a modern term, the people in the middle ages did not call a sword bastard sword ever much less base a 1H side arm off of it.

The arming sword(short sword) developed from the migration era swords(Viking Sword for those that need pictures) and the Long Sword/Bastard Sword/Hand and a Half sword came as a later development from the arming sword. "Viking Sword" 8th-11th century. Arming Sword 10-15th century. Long sword 12-17th century.

You need to go read several things AND look at pictures.

Starting with chainmail and every PnP game after that made by Gygax he based it almost entirely off of the Medieval time period, specifically European and inspired by Tolkien. Makes no sense to bring up 1000bc or w/e ♥♥♥♥ when they even draw you the pictures int eh book and DESCRIBE IT in text.

[Bijat]

Well back to the topic, i think connecting pathfinder weps to inrl is a bad idea becuse pathfinder have some wierd weps like war razor, pick, starknife etc. But in pathfinder rulebook shorsword is pierceing weapon not slashing so shoud be fixed.

[GreyFox]

Originally posted by Bijat:

Well back to the topic, i think connecting pathfinder weps to inrl is a bad idea becuse pathfinder have some wierd weps like war razor, pick, starknife etc. But in pathfinder rulebook shorsword is pierceing weapon not slashing so shoud be fixed.

Not at all, razor - slashing.

Pick is just an actual war-hammer and the war-hammer they have in the game is just a hammer. Blunt/Pierce(hence the pick part on the other side of the hammer)

Starknife is an unusable weapon that wouldn't work but in game it'd do slash/piercing so no issues converting at all.