Earthbreaker spoilers

[Attelso]

After finding Inubrix I have to go kill his enemy witch at the Secluded Lodge in the south, which i assume refers to Dumras tavern. But when I go there, theres no one but Dumra and she has nothing to say?

[Allvaldr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GRVTSFat Bastard:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dalaule:

You don't have to be CE to kill her. If you kill attack her without asking who she is, there's no alignment change (strangely).

Then you're kinda not acting in-character. At that point you're meta-gaming and I think that's not really the reason you'd be playing a PnP based Roleplaying Game.

Not necessarely. If my players in my pen & paper Pathfinder game are sent to kill someone that's hiding out in a tavern, and they get a decent description, and only one person matches the description ... they're not going to chat up that person either. That person's getting ambushed. Not giving an alignment hit for it is kind of weird, but it can be a valid in character tactic.

[Eonwe]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Allvaldr:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GRVTSFat Bastard:

Then you're kinda not acting in-character. At that point you're meta-gaming and I think that's not really the reason you'd be playing a PnP based Roleplaying Game.

Not necessarely. If my players in my pen & paper Pathfinder game are sent to kill someone that's hiding out in a tavern, and they get a decent description, and only one person matches the description ... they're not going to chat up that person either. That person's getting ambushed. Not giving an alignment hit for it is kind of weird, but it can be a valid in character tactic.

I see your point but murdering someone in cold blood just because someone you just met asked you to is dubious to say the least.

[[eL]Dnishe]

I would gess that stranger is telling the trutf. First of all she is an inquisitor witch gives her tale a more realistic one. Also Varrask sad that he had some bad stuff in his past. And the last part - he is a halforc and in worlds like this races have a "common aliment" add for halforcs it is evil. This is not a solid evidence, but it has its logic.

[Sigma]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Eonwe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Allvaldr:

Not necessarely. If my players in my pen & paper Pathfinder game are sent to kill someone that's hiding out in a tavern, and they get a decent description, and only one person matches the description ... they're not going to chat up that person either. That person's getting ambushed. Not giving an alignment hit for it is kind of weird, but it can be a valid in character tactic.

I see your point but murdering someone in cold blood just because someone you just met asked you to is dubious to say the least.

Man, Skyrim's Astrid would HATE you

[Ichthyic]

she's a lawful good inquisitor.

she's telling the absolute truth. she has to.

but the game gives you an out if you just pick the "varrask sends his regards" option, which immediately goes into combat.

it probably shouldn't give you that out, but force you to choose.

getting the alchemical potion master item is the same, there are evil choices you have to make, and the alchemist himself is neutral evil.

go figure. that nice old man.

[dwarner]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ichthyic:

she's a lawful good inquisitor.

she's telling the absolute truth. she has to.

but the game gives you an out if you just pick the "varrask sends his regards" option, which immediately goes into combat.

it probably shouldn't give you that out, but force you to choose.

getting the alchemical potion master item is the same, there are evil choices you have to make, and the alchemist himself is neutral evil.

go figure. that nice old man.

You can bluff Bokken without taking an Evil choice. Naz and Varrask both require one unless you attack the LG inquisitor without asking questions.

[Pleonazm]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dalaule:

You don't have to be CE to kill her. If you kill attack her without asking who she is, there's no alignment change (strangely).

Actually this is quite logical.
If you kill her without any questions you are a gullible moron, who has been manipulated into doing dirty work. Being too stupid to verify his sob story, does not make you evil.
But if you kill her after hearing what she has to say it is another story. You are purposefully helped a murderer and killed an LG inquisitor for personal gain, being fully aware of this fact.
So, I would say that yes CE (or even NE) tag is fully deserved here.

But yes, the quest is poorly written. We have clerics in towns, I suppose the Baron is wealthy enough to buy a girl Raise Dead scroll

[dwarner]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pleonazm:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dalaule:

You don't have to be CE to kill her. If you kill attack her without asking who she is, there's no alignment change (strangely).

Actually this is quite logical.
If you kill her without any questions you are a gullible moron, who has been manipulated into doing dirty work. Being too stupid to verify his sob story, does not make you evil.
But if you kill her after hearing what she has to say it is another story. You are purposefully helped a murderer and killed an LG inquisitor for personal gain, being fully aware of this fact.
So, I would say that yes CE (or even NE) tag is fully deserved here.

But yes, the quest is poorly written. We have clerics in towns, I suppose the Baron is wealthy enough to buy a girl Raise Dead scroll

It's not poorly written at all. And ultimately Varrask is the weakest artisan by a good bit. You won't really miss him if you do the right thing.

[StarKnight]

This quest also poses a big problem for me, a big dilemma ! I am LG but as I am NOT a paladin (for example), my attitude and my choices are quite "flexible", I also make other choices according to the situation, the context or what the dialogues impose on me so often (unfortunately)...etc : LN, NG or CG, for example.

I really don't know what to do for this quest ! This one is badly invented, I think.

Everyone wants to keep their craftsmen, whatever their past, they bring interesting magic objects, but there the game offers you to kill a paladin who is just doing his job or let Varrask (ex-criminal repentant) kill and lose this craftsman that no other can apparently replace, if I believe the list of artisans that can be recruited, on the wiki !

It's a fuc-king dilemma ! I do not want to kill a paladin or an inquisitor, the personality of my character would refuse to make such a choice CE ! As a result, my quest will fail and I will certainly lose both Varrask's items (including his weapon Obliteration) and the craftsman himself !
It's completely stupid !

[StarKnight]

In case I choose to help the paladin, the game should offer me another artisan, another weapons blacksmith to replace Varrask, but apparently Owlcat did not think about it ! :((((

[hamtidamti]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von StarKnight:

In case I choose to help the paladin, the game should offer me another artisan, another weapons blacksmith to replace Varrask, but apparently Owlcat did not think about it ! :((((

Well, yes they did think about it. And they decided to create a game which confronts you with hard choices and real consequences. I find this quite refreshing.

[StarKnight]

Kill an inquisitor who's tracking a criminel (many meurders...) or lose a great craftman (not replaced) are really hard choices, yes, ok, it's fine, but why another artisan could not appear in the kingdom ? Have you an answer for that ?

[StarKnight]

Unless Varrask kill the inquisitor (if you give the location of Varrask), I didn't try this.

[StarKnight]

Are there other ways out of this "quest" when we choose to give the location of Varrask to the inquisitor (or not to oppose his search for Varrask), such as the death of the inquisitor perpetrated by Varrask, a reversal of the inquisitor who changes his mind (unlikely) or other possibilities...?

[Mork]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von StarKnight:

Are there other ways out of this "quest" when we choose to give the location of Varrask to the inquisitor (or not to oppose his search for Varrask), such as the death of the inquisitor perpetrated by Varrask, a reversal of the inquisitor who changes his mind or other possibilities ?

There is probably 4 outcomes (I have never try #3 and #4 so just guessing..)

- The best one sadly is to just attack without asking question.
- Ask question and kill her. (chaotic evil)
- Ask question and refuse to kill her or Varrask but failing the quest, keeping him as a artisan and giving up on his masterpiece.(neutral)
- Siding with the inquisitor and losing him as a artisan.(good)

His masterpiece is not really good, so giving up on it is not a big deal.