[Bug?] Rogue's Finesse Training(Dagger) doesn't work on Dual-Weilding Daggers?

[大宝]

I hade a lvl 4 rogue(knife master) / lvl 2 alchemist (vivisectionist)
I remeber before mulit-class to alchemist, the finesse trainning(dagger) works on dual-wielding daggers, but after today's hotfix, it only works on single-handed dagger.
Which mean when dual-wielding only strength increas the damage, not the dextery

Is it a bug or some myestery game mechanism?

[Marcos_DS]

Are you sure its not the usual 1/2 bonus due to offhand?

[大宝]

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

Are you sure its not the usual 1/2 bonus due to offhand?

1. I have finesse training(dagger) learnt from rogue, which should apply DEX instead of STR on damage roll
2. I learnt Double Slice which provide full Damage bonus from STR on offhand damage roll

I tested after today's hotfix, and here is the results:
1. when I use only one dagger on main hand and empty offhand, the DEX damage bonus works correctly
2. when I do dual-weilding dagger on both hand, the damage bonus are all from STR instead of DEX, no matter it's mainhand dagger or offhand dagger

[BloodySunday]

same thing for me I just hit level three and keep trying to use different weapons and re level but I only get the bonus if I am using just one weapon. As soon as I add another weapon it reverts tstr bonus.

[大宝]

Originally posted by BloodySunday:

same thing for me I just hit level three and keep trying to use different weapons and re level but I only get the bonus if I am using just one weapon. As soon as I add another weapon it reverts tstr bonus.

I guess it's a bug after today's hotfix, because I clearly remember it works correctly one day ago.
This bug cause man rogue main character lose half DPS....

[Wellmet]

Yep, "finesse training" bonus disappears after you try to dual wield selected weapon.

Tried it on custom rogue merc by getting lvl 3 with "two weapon fighting", "weapon focus (dagger)" and "finesse training (dagger)" - not working, bonus is reverted back to STR on dual wield.

[kurter]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! FIX THIS!

[Sigmund Void]

Its bugged.

not acceptable this amount of bugs

[mrcclassical]

I finally get some time to play and can't because my main character now does no damage. They have been really good about fixing bugs to hopefully this one is fixed soon.

[Takkik]

Officialy, double slice don't work with finesse training. From paizo FAQ :

Unchained Rogue Finesse Training: When I'm replacing Strength for Dexterity, what happens with a one-handed weapon? What about an off-hand weapon?

With a two-handed weapon, you add 1-1/2 times your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls, and with an off-hand weapon, you add half your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls. As per the ability's text, if an effect would prevent you from adding your Strength modifier on damage rolls, you don't add your Dexterity modifier. However, any other effects that would increase the multiplier to your Strength bonus on damage rolls (such as the two-handed fighter archetype's overhand chop) do not affect your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls.

[Tommy]

Originally posted by Takkik:

Officialy, double slice don't work with finesse training. From paizo FAQ :

Unchained Rogue Finesse Training: When I'm replacing Strength for Dexterity, what happens with a one-handed weapon? What about an off-hand weapon?

With a two-handed weapon, you add 1-1/2 times your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls, and with an off-hand weapon, you add half your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls. As per the ability's text, if an effect would prevent you from adding your Strength modifier on damage rolls, you don't add your Dexterity modifier. However, any other effects that would increase the multiplier to your Strength bonus on damage rolls (such as the two-handed fighter archetype's overhand chop) do not affect your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls.

Even that doesn't work ... since the last patch you don't get any damage bonus from Finesse Training if you are dualwielding weapons. The problem is not Double Slice, it is Finesse Training - without Double Slice the problem also exists.
My halfling kukri dual-wielding character now does 1d3-1 instead of 1d3+7 ... thats a big difference. Now I must rely on sneak damage or drop one weapon until it gets patched.

[mrcclassical]

I ended up dropping a weapon until it gets patched :/