Do You Eat 10 Pounds of Food Per Day?

[Shahadem]

No? Then why do the camping supplies weigh 10 pounds per unit. This is impossibly stupid.

This should be broken down to:
1) Tent (per 2-3 characters)
2) Shovel (per party)
3) Sleeping Supplies (per person)
4) Cantine (per person)
5) Hygeine (per person)
6) Spare Clothes (per person)
7) Cooking Supplies (per party)
8) Misc

9) Food, 2-3 pounds per person per day

Number 9 is the only one we should have to buy multiples of per day.

[Ernst Stavro Blofeld]

Originally posted by uta:

Are all the comments about weight that's not food relevant considering you don't actually have to use rations except when you cannot hunt? What I find more mind boggling is that you need them although you have a ton of food on you.

I agree, if you have 10 pieces of bread in your inventory, why cannot you use as a ration, this should be fixed

[[Q]uik]

Once you get a bag of holding or two this is hardly an issue :) I think the game deliberatly wants you to NOT carry around 50+ supplies each day - so you actually make use of the camping functions and makes planning your routes out important. I quite like that.
I love in general how this game is telling me actively NOT to grab EVERYTHING i see

[DracoDruid]

It's 1 pound of food and 1 gallon of water (~8 pounds) + camping supplies.

[PerfectLife]

The use of rations is to reduce the time you spend camping to just what you have selected, hunters will get as much food as you can, and the gap is made up with rations. As long as your hunting, using rations, and camping at least 8 hours then the weight is well worth the cost.

That being said, 10lbs is more of a "video game" bloated number, no one would need 10lb rations. Even so, just by getting one character with a pet you can vastly increase your carry weight. I regularly cary 50 rations when I restock and I loot everything masterwork or higher from enemies and I almost never get past medium encumbrance with two pets in the party.

Furthermore, buy every bag of holding you can, money comes in fast and there's not much to spend it on other than BP (which is basically where you should be spending most your money).

I agree the ration situation is a bit much right now, however, you can vastly increase the carry weight of your party to the point it doesn't even matter the rations are mass holes.

[FlashXAron ☕ (Alex)]

... what I don't like more , is that they always carry that things themselves ! WTF
There are horses , carts and peasants ...
We should be able to buy horses etc. ...

and each char has his OWN INVENTORY, there should be that rare magic bags !
And where the optional, weapons are, I need more possible Weapon sets ...
I had around 15 !! NEEDED Weapon Sets in D&D Online and P&P ...

1.) Personal Char Inventory : Strength and Magic Bags ... usable while fighting
2.) Horses, carts & peasants inventory : Which you could upgrade ... while out of towns
3.) Empire Inventory : Could be used to craft and sell ... only in towns

[DoppelGangster]

Judging by this post my conclusions are:
-OP is still in the early game
-Magic bags are not in the game (which would be really sad)

[Baldr]

5 kg per day, counting, water, food, firewood and supplies is actually not that much.

[[Q]uik]

Originally posted by RagingRetardRampage:

Judging by this post my conclusions are:
-OP is still in the early game
-Magic bags are not in the game (which would be really sad)

magic bags are in the game or how do you mean

[svensson1066]

Originally posted by Miss Anthropy:

Originally posted by svensson1066:

I'm a Civil War reenactor and former medieval reenactor. One day's 'ration' can easily add up to ten pounds /5 kg if you count
*water [each man had a quart canteen, 2.5 lbs.]
*food [full day's ration is 4 lbs hard cracker and salt pork plus foraged fruit or veggies]
*bedroll [just one woolen blanket and a ground sheet is 3 lbs easily, more when wet]
*shelter half [canvas 'pup tent' half 3 lbs, again more when wet]

Just puttin' that out there.

^ this. Hell, even modern milrats weigh around 1.2-1.6lbs and you're gonna need more than 1 of those if you're doing anything physical (plus they mostly taste like shoes).

Also - yay for HEMA reenactment :3

Thankee, ma'am. I'm an old SCA stick jock [insert jokes here] and one of my gaming buddies is a crusty old [60+ years] HEMA

[svensson1066]

Originally posted by RagingRetardRampage:

Judging by this post my conclusions are:
-OP is still in the early game
-Magic bags are not in the game (which would be really sad)

Magic Bags ARE in the game. You can buy one at Oleg's from the get-go.
The Small Bag of Holding adds +100 lbs. to your load limit.

[Terse]

Why do people keep thinking 10 pounds per day per person is only food? Its "camping supplies AND rations" (or close to that, not in front of my game pc atm).

Water weights about 2 pounds per liter and a quick google suggests one should drink 1 liter per 2 hours spent hiking.

Thats a significant weight of water required to stay healthy if you're travelling cross-country in armor and occasional combat. Even if you factor in the invisible mounts that are implied by the map-travel token.

I think we're getting off light with an abstraction of 10 pounds per day per person so we don't have to keep track of tents, pots, pans and other camping equipment - inventory gets cluttered enough as it is.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by svensson1066:

I'm a Civil War reenactor and former medieval reenactor. One day's 'ration' can easily add up to ten pounds /5 kg if you count
*water [each man had a quart canteen, 2.5 lbs.]
*food [full day's ration is 4 lbs hard cracker and salt pork plus foraged fruit or veggies]
*bedroll [just one woolen blanket and a ground sheet is 3 lbs easily, more when wet]
*shelter half [canvas 'pup tent' half 3 lbs, again more when wet]

Just puttin' that out there.

Yeah, but you won't require a new bedroll and canvas every day, you kinda reuse it right? Food and water is what you need to replenish from day to day.

This is the issue in a nutshell. The weight is about right but not for resupplies. Optimally, camping gear would be seperate, anyway. Then having rations plus food (even if it is for buffs) is a bit much in terms of weight and overlap.

It's apparently meant to balance the game with more impact on early levels when you may have weaker characters, a smaller party, less money and at most the ability to buy one bag of holding. Having the money for both a bag of holding and a merc is not likely at the start, either.

You can buy another in Act 2 that is relatively affordable -- costing less than in your Capitol but smaller, if you want the 100lb version that stacks; but still that's money that could be spent on better combat/buff equipment.

The other impact it has is you'll better try to control fatigue, ability/spell spam, and hoarding though it's fairly counterintuitive when the supplies weigh that much.

I do not know if the people claiming to need 20-30 in a dungeon are playing sensibly (and investing in bags of holding) or not as I've not gotten that far. 12-18 is burden enough while maintaining "light" encumberance.

I do favor this system over the one in PoE 1 where the supplies were actually limited, and the main thing I didn't like about that game. That truly discouraged me on doing a large dungeon run or unnecessary fighting. A system they changed in the second game.

Solution?

I would hear the devs response to adjusting the weight to 5-6lbs and if desired add a static 5lb camping gear/supplies static weight item. That way the total is still 10lbs+ but you're not doubling/trippling up on items unnecessarily.

It may indeed make the game too easy to do so but the issue has come up enough along with fatigue malus to seem worthy of attention.

There is at least a significant amount of dialog devoted to camping encounters, should you be entertained by such.

[Quacksalber]

Originally posted by Terse:

Why do people keep thinking 10 pounds per day per person is only food? Its "camping supplies AND rations" (or close to that, not in front of my game pc atm).

Water weights about 2 pounds per liter and a quick google suggests one should drink 1 liter per 2 hours spent hiking.

Thats a significant weight of water required to stay healthy if you're travelling cross-country in armor and occasional combat. Even if you factor in the invisible mounts that are implied by the map-travel token.

I think we're getting off light with an abstraction of 10 pounds per day per person so we don't have to keep track of tents, pots, pans and other camping equipment - inventory gets cluttered enough as it is.

But you can camp without rations, and then you'd still need all of the stuff you mention, besides possibly water, plus as I keep saying, your inventory is stuffed with food.

[ChopSuey™]

dont get too realistric :)

[Kain Yusanagi]

Originally posted by svensson1066:

I'm a Civil War reenactor and former medieval reenactor. One day's 'ration' can easily add up to ten pounds /5 kg if you count
*water [each man had a quart canteen, 2.5 lbs.]
*food [full day's ration is 4 lbs hard cracker and salt pork plus foraged fruit or veggies]
*bedroll [just one woolen blanket and a ground sheet is 3 lbs easily, more when wet]
*shelter half [canvas 'pup tent' half 3 lbs, again more when wet]

Just puttin' that out there.

The bedroll and shelter are the problem, there. We don't need 20 of them sitting in inventory, only food- and there's also food separate from that that you can use for meals, but that doesn't count as rations. It's... weird.