Pathfinder: Kingmaker

Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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Pathfinder soundtrack triggering 3rd Party copyright claims on youtube
Just had all my livestreams on youtube flagged by this copyright claim.
All 65 hours of my content....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuSLxJhfX_o
Video title: Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Challenging Difficulty! Day 1
Copyrighted content: PF MAIN THEME-14539
Claimed by: AdRev for a 3rd Party

Can a dev please clarify if content creators have the right to produce content for the game?


Twitch Channel
http://twitch.tv/Kaen_SG

Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/c/Kaen_SG


cheers,
Kaen
Last edited by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG; Oct 5, 2018 @ 1:53pm
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raubrey Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:03pm 
As for the music sounding similar, my first thought was Dragon Age (not main theme of course)-- I have been meaning to look who did the music as it's very good.
Last edited by raubrey; Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:04pm
Timrath Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:07pm 
Originally posted by raubrey:
As for the music sounding similar, my first thought was Dragon Age (not main theme of course)-- I have been meaning to look who did the music as it's very good.
The composer of the Dragon Age soundtrack is Inon Zur.
The composer of the Pathfinder: Kingmaker soundtrack is... surprise... Inon Zur.
This being a Unity game... they could have just bought their music from the Unity Asset store... which grants them a licence to use it in their game but is pretty cloudy when the music gets used in a youtube video featuring that game. Some official clarification from a dev would be appreciated.
raubrey Oct 5, 2018 @ 4:17pm 
Originally posted by Timrath:
Originally posted by raubrey:
As for the music sounding similar, my first thought was Dragon Age (not main theme of course)-- I have been meaning to look who did the music as it's very good.
The composer of the Dragon Age soundtrack is Inon Zur.
The composer of the Pathfinder: Kingmaker soundtrack is... surprise... Inon Zur.

I knew of (and am a fan of) Ion Zur and thought surely not (thinking out of price range)...well I'm glad to hear it. I also thought I was imaging the Dragon Age connection...I even got the DA feels in some town designs. Cool and thanks.
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Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG Oct 6, 2018 @ 12:42am 
did a bit more digging...

Originally posted by Youtube:
AdRev for a 3rd Party
On behalf of: Inon Zur (Inon Zur)

So it looks like Inon Zur himself is going around enforcing his IP on his music. That cannot be good for the game companies he does work for.


Originally posted by Youtube:
PF MAIN THEME-14539 - Inon Zur
Sound recording
0:30 - 1:17 play match

Seems like the background music for the first loading screen is being flagged. Kind of rediculous if you ask me.

Just 30 seconds of his music on my video being flagged... and he has ownership of my 8-12 hour long stream video on youtube.... and is forcefully monetizing it.
Last edited by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG; Oct 6, 2018 @ 2:48pm
Currently unlisting all my flagged videos.

Not sure why a dev hasn't chimed in on this issue yet... lots of people are going to be upset that Inon Zur's agency is going around claiming the rights over all his music in youtube.

space is cool Oct 6, 2018 @ 8:00pm 
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:
Currently unlisting all my flagged videos.

Not sure why a dev hasn't chimed in on this issue yet... lots of people are going to be upset that Inon Zur's agency is going around claiming the rights over all his music in youtube.

It probably isn't the devs fault, that's how music companies are all over youtube.
Originally posted by rrichard2:
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:
Currently unlisting all my flagged videos.

Not sure why a dev hasn't chimed in on this issue yet... lots of people are going to be upset that Inon Zur's agency is going around claiming the rights over all his music in youtube.

It probably isn't the devs fault, that's how music companies are all over youtube.

It isn't too hard... contact Inon Zur... he was probably paid for his work on this music. Ask him very nicely to take the game soundtrack off the "hit list" of his youtube rampage, remove all claims on those bs youtube copyright claims, problem solved everyone is happy.

Then apologize to the people that were screwed over by this and tell people publicly that it is ok to produce and monetize content made with the game from here on.
Last edited by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG; Oct 6, 2018 @ 8:07pm
Moos Oct 7, 2018 @ 12:31am 
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:
lots of people are going to be upset that Inon Zur's agency is going around claiming the rights over all his music in youtube.

Right....you said it yourself...he is claiming the rights on HIS music that you used and uploaded without permission and declaration. Lots of people will be upset...
Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG Oct 7, 2018 @ 11:34am 
Originally posted by Moos:
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:
lots of people are going to be upset that Inon Zur's agency is going around claiming the rights over all his music in youtube.

Right....you said it yourself...he is claiming the rights on HIS music that you used and uploaded without permission and declaration. Lots of people will be upset...

Have you ever heard of youtube or have you been living under a rock?
Youtubers and streamers are the PR machine for game developers now.

$40 for the game.... it's not like i stole his music and posted it online to make money off it.
space is cool Oct 7, 2018 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:
Originally posted by Moos:

Right....you said it yourself...he is claiming the rights on HIS music that you used and uploaded without permission and declaration. Lots of people will be upset...

Have you ever heard of youtube or have you been living under a rock?
Youtubers and streamers are the PR machine for game developers now.

$40 for the game.... it's not like i stole his music and posted it online to make money off it.

Until youtube fixes the issue that literally anyone can abuse the copy right strike system, then it will keep happening no matter what because they're greedy and want that money.
Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG Oct 7, 2018 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by rrichard2:
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:

Have you ever heard of youtube or have you been living under a rock?
Youtubers and streamers are the PR machine for game developers now.

$40 for the game.... it's not like i stole his music and posted it online to make money off it.

Until youtube fixes the issue that literally anyone can abuse the copy right strike system, then it will keep happening no matter what because they're greedy and want that money.

Game Developers usually make sure that the music they use in the game will not be flagged for copyright infringement in youtube... it affects their game's discoverability. Less people seeing your game... less people interested in your game... less people buying your game.

Moos Oct 7, 2018 @ 12:27pm 
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:
Originally posted by Moos:

Right....you said it yourself...he is claiming the rights on HIS music that you used and uploaded without permission and declaration. Lots of people will be upset...

Have you ever heard of youtube or have you been living under a rock?
Youtubers and streamers are the PR machine for game developers now.

$40 for the game.... it's not like i stole his music and posted it online to make money off it.

Have you ever been paid by YouTube? No? Thought so. Successful YouTubers don't make money of monetization anymore, because YouTube doesn't allow for it. Almost all content gets flagged, either by copyright infringements or because of words like "war, hate, killing, suicide, ..." and then monetization isn't possible anymore. YouTubers need 3rd party sponsors to make a living these days.
As for streamers, I agree, they make the game companies tons of money. That's why the game companies pay the big streamers tons of money to play their game.

I'm sorry that your video got flagged and I hate the YouTube system of flagging content. I also wish the Devs could get this sorted. But my hopes are low, that's why I was salty. Sorry. :steamsalty::steamsad:
Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG Oct 7, 2018 @ 12:37pm 
Originally posted by Moos:
Originally posted by Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG:

Have you ever heard of youtube or have you been living under a rock?
Youtubers and streamers are the PR machine for game developers now.

$40 for the game.... it's not like i stole his music and posted it online to make money off it.

Have you ever been paid by YouTube? No? Thought so. Successful YouTubers don't make money of monetization anymore, because YouTube doesn't allow for it. Almost all content gets flagged, either by copyright infringements or because of words like "war, hate, killing, suicide, ..." and then monetization isn't possible anymore. YouTubers need 3rd party sponsors to make a living these days.
As for streamers, I agree, they make the game companies tons of money. That's why the game companies pay the big streamers tons of money to play their game.

I'm sorry that your video got flagged and I hate the YouTube system of flagging content. I also wish the Devs could get this sorted. But my hopes are low, that's why I was salty. Sorry. :steamsalty::steamsad:

I have no idea what kind of videos you are making that require such keywords... Google deposits money directly into my bank account every month or so... so yes I am frequently paid by youtube for the quality gaming content that I produce regularly. It's not much but it pays for games and such.

TheZeisonSha Oct 7, 2018 @ 12:58pm 
Contact YouTube in the first place, since this happened on their website and not here on Steam. Or contact either Deep Silver or Koch Media about legal stuff regarding the soundtrack etc. I'm pretty sure any of the above are able to provide more detailed answers. You find plenty of contact mails in the forum sticky above. I'll lock this thread, before any tin foil hats are required.
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