Great, just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ great. My paladin is now neutral good!

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

All the good options throughout the entire freaking game are either chaotic or neutral! Barely any lawful goods, how the hell am I suppose to remain on the rightous path!?

[xkuripuri]

By picking the lawful and the good options?
If you turned NG, it seems like you were picking too many neutral and chaotic options, instead of any lawful options when they showed up.

[Yaldabaoth]

By choosing Lawful neutral/evil options sometimes.

[Rain]

Well, I noticed that too, but I think also there are statements that you can make that dont have an alignment attached to them.

Also, keep an eye on your alignment page on your character window. You can choose different aligned choices several times before it actually switches. I had a evil choice and several neutral choices as a Paladin and I didnt switch out from LG.

However, LG statements seem to be few and far between.

[Kyutaru]

You don't want only Lawful Good answers. You want Neutral Good and Lawful Neutral. Paladins in PNP often fall not because they were too Evil but because they were too Chaotic. Stop being a purely good guy who disregards lawfulness for the sake of being a good guy. Sometimes you have to choose the jerk option because it's just.

[shaki92]

That's the moral dilemma. Law isn't always good. Often lawful actions can be considered evil. Staying both lawful and good, is a hard thing.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by xkuripuri:

By picking the lawful and the good options?
If you turned NG, it seems like you were picking too many neutral and chaotic options, instead of any lawful options when they showed up.

I'm just trying to do the good options, because I'm almost positive that they affect certain outcomes. I always usually pick lawful neutral when given the choice, but this is too punishing for simply picking from my limited choices.


I cannot cast any spells now, I'm just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fighter.

Originally posted by Yaldabaoth:

By choosing Lawful neutral/evil options sometimes.

A paladin picking lawful evil options? There aren't any blackguard options on the character creation, so why would I pick any evil options outside of no other alternative?

[Greybishop]

Originally posted by Yaldabaoth:

By choosing Lawful neutral/evil options sometimes.

This, Lawful neutral. Lawful good doesn't mean lawful nice

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

You don't want only Lawful Good answers. You want Neutral Good and Lawful Neutral. Paladins in PNP often fall not because they were too Evil but because they were too Chaotic. Stop being a purely good guy who disregards lawfulness for the sake of being a good guy. Sometimes you have to choose the jerk option because it's just.

I follow the law whenever given a choice, just so happens that around the point in the game that I'm at Lawful options have been at an alltime low outside of evil options.

[Kommissar K]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

A paladin picking lawful evil options? There aren't any blackguard options on the character creation, so why would I pick any evil options outside of no other alternative?

Ideally you never have to pick an LE option, but you certainly should occasionally be picking LN over NG options due to what you're seeing here.

Also, perhaps picking unaligned options occasionally puts you in a situation where the LG option actually occurs?

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

The game has crippled my character, and everyone just suggests that I stop being in-character? I'm a righteous warrior of Iomedae, not some lowly scoundrel who would use the Law for nefarious purposes!

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by Kommissar Klose:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

A paladin picking lawful evil options? There aren't any blackguard options on the character creation, so why would I pick any evil options outside of no other alternative?

Ideally you never have to pick an LE option, but you certainly should occasionally be picking LN over NG options due to what you're seeing here.

Also, perhaps picking unaligned options occasionally puts you in a situation where the LG option actually occurs?

I pick the options that I do for specific desired outcomes, not due to min-maxing my alignment. I'm trying to roleplay here.

[[TGC] MadGod]

Evil is not "EEEEEEVIL". Remember the first option at Oleg's when you can pick the "Lawful Evil" option that just says that all rule is based on fear or something like that? Evil can just mean disregard for any "pleasant" things or actively avoiding to give those to others. It is not dark evil stuff like killing for the sake of killing, but neither neutral nor good...

A paladin could well be Lawful Good and believe that a good rule is based on fear of a ruler. Your problem is of course that there is no way to use the atonement spell in game, since I highly doubt they implemented that.

[Kommissar K]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

I pick the options that I do for specific desired outcomes, not due to min-maxing my alignment. I'm trying to roleplay here.

OK, so you've roleplayed shirking law and responsibility instead focusing on doing what you think is good, and have become a fallen paladin.

[krule7777]

But clearly your ignoring lawful options for good ones, I play a paladin, and I am just fine, but then I pay attention to the alignment shifts, looking at my character regularly for them. There are times, within pathfinder, where a paladin (at least in pathfinder) must choose between law and chaos, and the lawful option is evil and the chaotic option is good, and from the paladin's viewpoint, both are wrong, but one must be taken.

[Marcos_DS]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

The game has crippled my character, and everyone just suggests that I stop being in-character? I'm a righteous warrior of Iomedae, not some lowly scoundrel who would use the Law for nefarious purposes!

So go forth seeker, and find redemption in the eyes of your goddess. Nobody doubts the goodness of your heart, but too often you let your personal feelings dictate your actions, instead of following the path of justice and law. Conquer that inner chaos, and all shall be forgiven.