Scaled monk = NO KI

[Testosteronie]

I’ve play the scaled monk for a while now and have noticed i have no Ki for his abilities, is there any reason for this or is this just a broken part of the game right now?

[Marcos_DS]

Did you get enough charisma ? Scaled monk uses cha instead of wisdom...

[Testosteronie]

That’s incredibly annoying if that’s the case, i dumped all of my points in STR and WIS... that would definitely make a difference but it says on the Wiki that the scaled monk uses wisdom?

[eRe4s3r]

"Any of the scaled fist’s class abilities that make calculations based on her Wisdom (including bonus feats with DCs or uses per day, such as Stunning Fist, but not Wisdom-based skills or Will saving throws) are instead based on her Charisma."

[Akogooth]

i would prefere that the tooltips of the class selection was a bit more... precise and telling.
It doesn't tell you what magic a class uses... or the main stats... (and scaled monk is shown with important ability wis and dex [green dots infront of the ability score])
Maybee that is the reason why i dont have flurry of blows with my monk... he should have it.. but i dont see any effect nor button to activate.

[eRe4s3r]

If that archetype is displaying WIS green in char creation then that is a huge bug, and yeah, depending on your CHR attribute you could have no access to flurry (or rather 0 uses)

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Runge001:

That’s incredibly annoying if that’s the case, i dumped all of my points in STR and WIS... that would definitely make a difference but it says on the Wiki that the scaled monk uses wisdom?

it literally tells you when you hover over the characters level 1 abilties that scaled fist replaces wis with cha for monk stats

[ChopSuey™]

My POOR POOR man if you've got one going without CHA. There is a lot of descriptions in this game that currently DO NOT make it anywhere clear what is happening and why. The information compared to the PnP version to whats in the computer game is seriously lacking and the scaled monk, being a different breed is high on that list.

I've played with one pretty extensively of the 4 games i'm playing concurrently with different classes and there is a lot that may or may not be working as intended. The vast majority of skills for the subtype are indeed CHA based and function that way. There are also plenty feats that still say wisdom is their stat for the scaled monk as well as STR. Whether or not they are supposed to or not i couldnt say but it feels as though this subclass needed another once over to make sure the associated feats/skills all converted as they should.

So that said... you really need to look carefully at the skills and bonus' for the scaled monk but CHA and DEX are basically the main stats for it even though STR and WIS still currently factor into a heap of feats/skills.

[Randomz]

Originally posted by ChopSuey™:

My POOR POOR man if you've got one going without CHA. There is a lot of descriptions in this game that currently DO NOT make it anywhere clear what is happening and why. The information compared to the PnP version to whats in the computer game is seriously lacking and the scaled monk, being a different breed is high on that list.

I've played with one pretty extensively of the 4 games i'm playing concurrently with different classes and there is a lot that may or may not be working as intended. The vast majority of skills for the subtype are indeed CHA based and function that way. There are also plenty feats that still say wisdom is their stat for the scaled monk as well as STR. Whether or not they are supposed to or not i couldnt say but it feels as though this subclass needed another once over to make sure the associated feats/skills all converted as they should.

So that said... you really need to look carefully at the skills and bonus' for the scaled monk but CHA and DEX are basically the main stats for it even though STR and WIS still currently factor into a heap of feats/skills.

The scaled fist monk specifically says that CLASS FEATURES that require wisdom are based off of charisma instead. This means class skills, and feats are unchanged.

"Any of the scaled fist’s class abilities that make calculations based on her Wisdom (including bonus feats with DCs or uses per day, such as Stunning Fist, but not Wisdom-based skills or Will saving throws) are instead based on her Charisma."

You can find the archetype's documentation here:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo-monk-archetypes/scaled-fist-monk-archetype/

[ChopSuey™]

The reference you've quoted, as far as I can see is part of the PnP rules.... they're not actually the adapted rules of the computerized incarnation. A good reference but i'm not totally convinced. Well. I wouldnt actually know. I can't see what a lot does and why due to bad/lacking descriptions in the game itself :)

I have gone and made and played a Scaled Fist using the actual written word in game as law and deliberately focusing on the fact that the computer game recommends CHA, DEX & CON but there are several skills/feats in game that I think the class could/would change. Pre-reqs change in several other places/classes based on the sub types and this is the same 'wrong' feeling i get. But just a feeling!

I accept that there might be some 'ordinary' monk skills that just arent supposed to be used for the scaled fist and am totally ok with that. But as a 'Class Feature' when you can select Dragon style from a short list of 'scaled fist' skills and its STR based when the class is not STR based at all seems as though its something that is kinda misplaced and should have been altered for this subtype.

[Kyutaru]

Every Wizard ever made feels your pain when they try to touch someone and have to roll a Strength or Dexterity check instead of Intelligence.

This is one of the huge improvements that 4th and 5th edition D&D brought around. Pathfinder is based on an older model.

[ChopSuey™]

Originally posted by Akogooth:

....Maybee that is the reason why i dont have flurry of blows with my monk... he should have it.. but i dont see any effect nor button to activate.

Flurry of blows is just 'ON' permenantly. It is a full round action so you cant do anything else other than attack. Sit through and watch the animation and you'll see your monk, in the round, make multiple attacks compared to less than other characters in the same time using a single weapon.

[Randomz]

Originally posted by ChopSuey™:

The reference you've quoted, as far as I can see is part of the PnP rules.... they're not actually the adapted rules of the computerized incarnation. A good reference but i'm not totally convinced. Well. I wouldnt actually know. I can't see what a lot does and why due to bad/lacking descriptions in the game itself :)

I have gone and made and played a Scaled Fist using the actual written word in game as law and deliberately focusing on the fact that the computer game recommends CHA, DEX & CON but there are several skills/feats in game that I think the class could/would change. Pre-reqs change in several other places/classes based on the sub types and this is the same 'wrong' feeling i get. But just a feeling!

I accept that there might be some 'ordinary' monk skills that just arent supposed to be used for the scaled fist and am totally ok with that. But as a 'Class Feature' when you can select Dragon style from a short list of 'scaled fist' skills and its STR based when the class is not STR based at all seems as though its something that is kinda misplaced and should have been altered for this subtype.

Its one of the major downsides to playing a monk. They require a lot of different stats. Strength does damage for all melee attacks and is important for I would argue literally every type of monk unless you're not trying to do damage at all and unless otherwise altered in the wording of the archetype. The wording here is very important and you seem to be confusing "skills" with "bonus feats". Dragons are supposed to be STRONG! The reason the game suggests using CHA, DEX, and CON is because you're a monk, who cannot wear any armor, and those are your defensive stats.