Suggestions for a MC Archer Build please including the specs...

[Dalinoth]

I would like to start a new campaign with an archer build and am having trouble finding anything posted that details all of the specs. At this time, I am still not sure if a Ranger/Fighter build type is > than an Eldritch Archer variation. All opinions and advice are welcomed. I will be playing on normal after just finishing first play through on storymode (was brand new to Pathfinder).

Thanks in advance.

[InEffect]

EA2/Ra15/V3 or Huntsmaster 3. Done. EA is kinda garbage because he loses spells on a miss and attacks full AC instead of touch. But +1arrow is valuable, so right-click some cantrip and pew-pew.

[CHAO$$$]

Start with Vivisectionist level 1 but rush the precise shot feat (requires point blank shot) - dexterity mutagen everytime. Use melee if you cant get the feat early.

rest ranger - look for the spells hurricane bow, aspect of the falcon, and sense vitals.

Get the hidden super bow in the troll fortress

Accomplished sneak attacker feat after that and many shot.

Dont use modals that reduce to-hit

Max dex, high strength, dump int.

Persuasion is a very good thing to have but charisma doesnt help ranger much unfortunately.

[InEffect]

Persuasion is kinda must for most everyone on unfair cause shatter defenses. On normal it can be skipped.

[CHAO$$$]

Its just really good story wise.

[Dalinoth]

InEffect -

Is there any chance you can post the full progression for your build please with stats, feats, etc...?

Thanks.

[Arden]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Start with Vivisectionist level 1 but rush the precise shot feat (requires point blank shot) - dexterity mutagen everytime. Use melee if you cant get the feat early.

rest ranger - look for the spells hurricane bow, aspect of the falcon, and sense vitals.

Get the hidden super bow in the troll fortress

Accomplished sneak attacker feat after that and many shot.

Dont use modals that reduce to-hit

Max dex, high strength, dump int.

Persuasion is a very good thing to have but charisma doesnt help ranger much unfortunately.

Some Int is useful for true strike on higher difficulties with vivi, no more than 11-12. But you can dump everything else for normal, including that.

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Dalinoth:

InEffect -

Is there any chance you can post the full progression for your build please with stats, feats, etc...?

Thanks.

it's on GoG forums. 3rd page of the the topic where I grant requests.

[Dalinoth]

InEffect -

Thanks. 2 quick questions please:

1) Would it be better to take Vivi rather than Huntmaster?

2) Why are the Huntmaster levels not till 18-20 which are basically unusable in the game if a character can't reach level 20 on a single playthrough?

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Dalinoth:

InEffect -

Thanks. 2 quick questions please:

1) Would it be better to take Vivi rather than Huntmaster?

2) Why are the Huntmaster levels not till 18-20 which are basically unusable in the game if a character can't reach level 20 on a single playthrough?

depends if you exploit skill-checks and/or going in a smaller group. if neither vivisectionist surely is better(along with accomplished) if you are exploiting for exp then you will hit 20 before house at the end.

technically you can make it even more abusive if you fit in dazzling/shatter instead of critical feats.

[Dalinoth]

Thanks - I am not exploiting anything, so that being the case, when should I take the 3 Viv levels please?

[InEffect]

1st one somewhere in the 1st 5 levels. probably level 5 and take accomplished instead of deadly aim and toss blind fight to level 15 or so. it all will even out. last 2 alchemists would go to lvl 19-20 because they are not crucial and there is no point gimping the pet during the midgame for 1 feat and a d6

[Dalinoth]

Thanks!

[exDeeLessThanThree]

The best build I have found for a ranged/archer character is 2 levels of ranger and 18 levels of rogue. If you build with a good wisdom score you can take a few more levels of ranger. The pathfinder rogue gives the opportunity for so many bonus combat feats that it eliminates the need to get ranger or fighter bonus feats. The evasion and sneak attack from the rogue are more effective than anything else you can achieve with other classes.

[InEffect]

ranger gets loads of damage and AB. Rogue is nowhere close to it. Rogue would also end up with 15BAB at best so 1 less attack there. so no, ranger is a better rogue when it comes to archery. Full vivisectionist is competitive in damage department due to transform and mutagen, but that's vivisectionist for you.

[PassoLiati]

Wouldn't you want 4 in Magus to get Scorching Ray ?