Harrim build suggestions

[eiriankageno]

While, I don't like his character enough to put him in my main party, I'd like to make Harrim be somewhat decent when I need to use him. At the moment, Tristian is my main healer. I'm keeping him in my party as I'm considering romancing him, though I may change my mind depending how that goes. I also have an merc healer for when Tristian isn't around. So keeping Harrim as a primary healer isn't super important to me.

I was considering possibly respecializing him and wanted some opinions. One option I was considering was crusader. It keeps him as a cleric, but adds some extra combat ability and access to weapon specialization and similar feats.

A pure fighter is also a possibility if I do a full respec and change his stats, as is ranger.

Any advice? Does crusader sound good or would you recommend a different option?

Edit: realized I should give you an idea of my main party and my MC build.

Main: dex based eldritch scion with a level of vivisectionist
Healer: Main is Tristian (respecced to fix the bug and give him two domains). Secondary healer is a cleric of Erastil merc
Ranged: Usually a merc grenadier. Replaced with Jubilost Nd Ekun as needed.
Magic: Octavia
Other melee/mixed role: Druid merc with 4 levels of freebooter and boon companion feat.
Second melee (I alternate these characters): Valerie as tank and/or
Regongar (built as dragon disciple with different spells to differentiate him from my main)

[InEffect]

given 20PB it can't be a MAD caster like cleric. He'd make ok-ish druid I guess cause those don't really need anything.

[eiriankageno]

The respecialization mod let's you choose keeping the original stats, 20 point but, or 25 point buy. Given that the story companions I've checked have had 25 point buy, I will either keep his original stats or go with 25 point buy.

[InEffect]

harim amiri and linzy are 20PB
well, if you want to cheat - sky's the limit.

[Marcos_DS]

I would just keep him a cleric since his whole story revolves around Groetus, and with 25 point buy + stat redistribution you can certainly make a decent one. If you ignore his background, any build is possible, so its only a question what you would like in your party - more ranged/more magic/more pets/a bard... Like InEffect said, with complete respec the sky is the limit.

[Arden]

I agree, his stock stats are not bad for druid. If you play on higher difficulties you might want to look at full respec cause those stats simply will not cut it.

I'd suggest charisma based fey druid with initial levels in 1 vivi and 1 scaled fist monk with 20 dex 18 cha and whatever rest. He'll get around 37-40 ac in act 1 and 50+ in act 2 at level 8 and above while rocking a solid 50-60+ % hit chance on unfair with formidable damage either in shapeshift or with finesse and fencing/slashing grace. Basically buff him up with all defense and attack buffs, send him into the frey with a buffed leopard pet and he'll never die while still having all his spells for extra utility.

Crusader sucks cause his extra combat feats are totally useless. With properly build melee group you will not need much healing anyway. But if you want to play him as cleric go for default or herald caller.

Your comp is missing the excellent bard buffs for a total of 4-6 attack bonus so you might want to consider respeccing him into that. The build is the same as the above but swap with bard levels. Same stats as well as performance. But your group will be much stronger with bard.

[InEffect]

feyspeaker is objectively worse than defender druid in every way possible(also last I checked feyspeaker had 0.5 BAB progression for whatever reason. Might be fixed by now, not that it matters.)

[Ghost]

I made him my secondary tank as a Sacred Huntmaster with Tower shield and Leopard. Still cleric-y but a great front-liner as well.

[Arden]

Originally posted by InEffect:

feyspeaker is objectively worse than defender druid in every way possible(also last I checked feyspeaker had 0.5 BAB progression for whatever reason. Might be fixed by now, not that it matters.)

Yes, he is. But using dex mutagen with wisdom character is so annoying and infuriating that I am ready to make that trade.

But fine - you can do wisdom based sensei/defender for the same effect. Just remember to buff him with owl's wisdom in order not to lose spells or cast them before you drink the drugs. And try not to get pissed off by the missing 1 ac. Sensei even comes with inspire courage so you get some extras if you don't have a bard.

[eiriankageno]

Huh. I hadn't realized he was a 20 point buy. I kind of assumed that after I checked a few characters and found they had 25, I figured all companions must have 25. Good to know that they don't, though I find the inconsistency weird. It wasn't so much intending to cheat as just making assumptions on my part. Druid is a consideration. He could replace my merc defender when I do his quests. Sensei likewise sounds like a good possibility. I do use Linzi sometimes as well, it's just difficult to keep every role or character you like in your party at all times.

Thanks for the suggestions.

[eiriankageno]

Originally posted by Creamy:

I made him my secondary tank as a Sacred Huntmaster with Tower shield and Leopard. Still cleric-y but a great front-liner as well.

This also sounds interesting. I'll have to look into everyone's suggestions and see what works.

[zany]

The one thing I always found odd about Harrim is that his god's favorite weapon is the Heavy Flail, yet he uses a Heavy Mace. Oh well.

He's not a bad char, as I use him with Hvy armor and just focus most of his spells in Necro. I don't use mods, so I can't say anything about Respec, but I loathe his attitude, but then again I just figure every party needs some grumpy dwarf. I will also say that I normally use Tristan instead and my Main is a Cleric also. He almost demoralizes the player more so than the rest of the companions.

[eiriankageno]

I'm really only planning to use him for his character quests cause he is annoying. I just figure he's redundant as designed, since I'm not taking Tristian out of my party given I don't want to miss any opportunities to score points. So I figured I should find something else for him to do.

[InEffect]

I usually make Harrim theurge, It's better than his default self and he can't tank anyways. Effectively I only have to forget he wasted a feat on heavy armor.

[erian]

He is good off tank actually up to hard difficulty.And decent healer.And one more body for outflank.I use him as main healer if my MC is ranged

[nintendogeek01]

I left him as a pure cleric. Early on he'll mainly be about buffs and off-tanking (his AC is respectable but he can't qualify for the best tanking feats). His destruction domain, and mid-to-high level spells in the cleric spell list, have very powerful necromancy spells, put that together with his high wisdom, spell focus, and greater spell focus in necromancy and Harrim will be a devastating caster. He outright one-shot one mini-boss and reduced a few adds to ash in subsequent rounds in my playthrough.