A decent wyvern shifter build ?

[Telsker Sonpos]

Here is a question for all the pro-players and veterans of this game.

I want to play as a wyvern shape-shifter.
Why you may ask? Well, I just love this creature a lot. The skin, the savagery of its attacks, the animations, the poison, etc...

I want to be able to play as one while doing a decent amount of damage. It would be nice if I would be able to spellcast while in wyvern form too, or at least having some kind of things to apply and do, not just auto-attacking.
Too bad Druids don't have access to this form, that would solve this issue right away...(speaking of which, wyverns CAN speak in this universe, so why no spellcasting ???).

Anyway, I'm asking this to you guys because I tried some things on my own, and the results were quite disappointing. Also, I still have quite limited game knowledge compared to most of you.
I tried things like druid 4/ magus 16, that way I was able to use the wyvern form with some buffs and spellcasting, but that's a level 20 build, and quite disappointing damage-wise.

Who will accept this challenge and not just tell me to play a dragon shifter ?

[TaKo]

just... go sorcerer? could try dipping a few levels into dragon disciple but it'll slow the gain of dragon form spells

[InEffect]

Originally posted by TaKoDancer:

just... go sorcerer? could try dipping a few levels into dragon disciple but it'll slow the gain of dragon form spells

it actually will not. By default dragon sorc gets spells 1 level after he reaches new spell level. DD only hinders spell progression, while keeping the bloodline progression intact, so 4 levels of DD will not hinder your dragon forms.

[Shazbot!]

Psst, OP, wanna some mods? One of them lets you have full caster level with DD.

[winter]

Arcane Trickster is actually ridiculously strong in Dragonkind III.

You get like 6 attacks per round with full sneak attack dice, and BAB on natural attacks doesn't degrade on iterative strikes so you can make them stick relatively easy. Especially with gimmicks like shatter defenses and buffed str score, and there's always transformation if that isn't enough.

For even more fun, add one level of scaled fist for ridiculously high ac and let your cleric buff you with Bestow Grace of the Champion for cha to saves for free.

[Harukage]

Originally posted by Shazbot!:

Psst, OP, wanna some mods? One of them lets you have full caster level with DD.

That i would love to know.

[Shazbot!]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Originally posted by Shazbot!:

Psst, OP, wanna some mods? One of them lets you have full caster level with DD.

That i would love to know.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/817876755335307487/0F2F262D446BE3BB601FEC17A51EC510AAEF8A58/
Eldritch arcana.

[Harukage]

Oh yes. That mod. I wish the game itself had all that. So far its options are bit basic.

[TaKo]

Originally posted by InEffect:

it actually will not. By default dragon sorc gets spells 1 level after he reaches new spell level. DD only hinders spell progression, while keeping the bloodline progression intact, so 4 levels of DD will not hinder your dragon forms.

u'll get the spells long before being able to cast them is what i meant

[TaKo]

Originally posted by Shazbot!:

Originally posted by Harukage:

That i would love to know.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/817876755335307487/0F2F262D446BE3BB601FEC17A51EC510AAEF8A58/
Eldritch arcana.

while that does allow for better caster level as DD, wont fix the worse spell progression of being a sorcerer invested into DD

[Shazbot!]

Originally posted by TaKoDancer:

Originally posted by Shazbot!:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/817876755335307487/0F2F262D446BE3BB601FEC17A51EC510AAEF8A58/
Eldritch arcana.

while that does allow for better caster level as DD, wont fix the worse spell progression of being a sorcerer invested into DD

Wait doesn't DD just get lower amount of caster level than normal sorc?

[TaKo]

Originally posted by Shazbot!:

Originally posted by TaKoDancer:

while that does allow for better caster level as DD, wont fix the worse spell progression of being a sorcerer invested into DD

Wait doesn't DD just get lower amount of caster level than normal sorc?

no, the 1st , 5th and 9th levels of DD have 0 spell progression, unless i'm mistaken of course

so, worse spell progression

'magickal knack' trait from eldtrich arcana mod allows for better caster level, useful when doing level dips into other classes BUT the caster level bonus only affects modifiers such as dmg die and DC, and the trait's bonus cant get your caster level above your total level