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aaronmv Aug 1, 2019 @ 4:15pm
Use Magic Device
Is this working correctly? Right now my character (Sage Sorceror) has a UMD skill of +8. I am trying to use a simple Scroll of Shield of Faith which has DC 11 - yet when I look at the roll, it is telling me the scroll has a DC of 21. Why is +10 being tacked on to the DC?
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Shadenuat Aug 1, 2019 @ 4:30pm 
Cause it's 20+caster level. Read the rulebook.
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ELVIS Aug 1, 2019 @ 5:33pm 
Protip: wands are better than spell scrolls. The Use Magic Device DC is 20 regardless of what spell is in the wand. Downside: wands can only hold spells of up to 4th level.
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klaek Aug 1, 2019 @ 5:36pm 
Originally posted by Shadenuat:
Cause it's 20+caster level. Read the rulebook.

Rulebook? Where can I find that for this game.
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ELVIS Aug 1, 2019 @ 5:48pm 
Originally posted by klaek:
Originally posted by Shadenuat:
Cause it's 20+caster level. Read the rulebook.

Rulebook? Where can I find that for this game.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/use-magic-device
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klaek Aug 1, 2019 @ 5:52pm 
Originally posted by ELVIS:
Originally posted by klaek:

Rulebook? Where can I find that for this game.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/use-magic-device

Thats the rulebook for pnp. Unless you are suggesting I should be able to use use magic device to equip items for different alignments or classes and the game is bugged.
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=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil Aug 1, 2019 @ 5:59pm 
Most things work like PnP, but owlcat changed some things.

Read the part about dc's in the link first, specifically about activating magic from other classes (divine instead of arcane) and see if that answers your question?
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ELVIS Aug 1, 2019 @ 6:05pm 
Originally posted by klaek:
Originally posted by ELVIS:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/use-magic-device

Thats the rulebook for pnp. Unless you are suggesting I should be able to use use magic device to equip items for different alignments or classes and the game is bugged.

If you read the description for Use Magic Device in the in-game Encyclopedia it says one of its uses is to allow you to equip a magic item you normally would not be able to equip, so YES you should be able to do that. Unfortunately I haven't found a Holy Avenger to test that theory.
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Shadenuat Aug 1, 2019 @ 6:26pm 
You can't and that's for the better. If anyone could equip Holy Avenger it would be pretty dumb.
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aaronmv Aug 1, 2019 @ 6:50pm 
Originally posted by ELVIS:
Protip: wands are better than spell scrolls. The Use Magic Device DC is 20 regardless of what spell is in the wand. Downside: wands can only hold spells of up to 4th level.

While I am glad they're implementing rules as written in PnP, it is completely misleading to list a DC of 11 on this scroll when I have to check against a 21.

Similarly, I have a wand of Cure Moderate Wounds that says the DC is 13, but obviously it is 20.

I have no issue with this except it is confusing as a player to fail against a DC that is not what is written on the actual item. They should change it to reflect the rulebook if they are implementing it that way...this effectively makes UMD a useless skill until midgame at best.
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Dixon Sider Aug 1, 2019 @ 6:52pm 
Originally posted by aaronmv:
Originally posted by ELVIS:
Protip: wands are better than spell scrolls. The Use Magic Device DC is 20 regardless of what spell is in the wand. Downside: wands can only hold spells of up to 4th level.

While I am glad they're implementing rules as written in PnP, it is completely misleading to list a DC of 11 on this scroll when I have to check against a 21.

Similarly, I have a wand of Cure Moderate Wounds that says the DC is 13, but obviously it is 20.

I have no issue with this except it is confusing as a player to fail against a DC that is not what is written on the actual item. They should change it to reflect the rulebook if they are implementing it that way...this effectively makes UMD a useless skill until midgame at best.

You can get it above 10 at level 1 without feats, cant you?

But I agree the descriptions are misleading
Last edited by Dixon Sider; Aug 1, 2019 @ 6:53pm
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ELVIS Aug 1, 2019 @ 7:14pm 
Originally posted by aaronmv:
Originally posted by ELVIS:
Protip: wands are better than spell scrolls. The Use Magic Device DC is 20 regardless of what spell is in the wand. Downside: wands can only hold spells of up to 4th level.

While I am glad they're implementing rules as written in PnP, it is completely misleading to list a DC of 11 on this scroll when I have to check against a 21.

Similarly, I have a wand of Cure Moderate Wounds that says the DC is 13, but obviously it is 20.

If I'm not mistaken the DC for the Cure Moderate Wounds wand is the DC to resist the spell which is 10 + spell level (if you use it on undead they'd have to make a DC 13 Will save to half the damage).

What's confusing is they use the same formula for harmless spells. That's why it says Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless) for Shield of Faith in PnP (and for a scroll the DC would be 11).
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ELVIS Aug 1, 2019 @ 7:18pm 
Originally posted by Dixon Sider:
You can get it above 10 at level 1 without feats, cant you?

You can get +10 to your UMD check at Level 1 if your Charisma is 22 and UMD is a Class skill.
Last edited by ELVIS; Aug 1, 2019 @ 8:46pm
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ELVIS Aug 1, 2019 @ 7:37pm 
Originally posted by Shadenuat:
You can't and that's for the better. If anyone could equip Holy Avenger it would be pretty dumb.

It happens in the actual (not computer) RPG. I once had a high level Oracle wielding a Holy Avenger.
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