Couple of questions about the Prestige Classes

[BlackDragon]

Firstly, I rather like Linzi's character, and the idea of having my own personal cronicler in tow is both amusing and ego-boosting, but... pure Bard just isn't all that. I'm considering giving her a couple of levels of Rogue, maybe Knife Fighter, and then turning her into an Arcane Trickster once she has the requisite Sneak Attack. Is that stupid? If so, any other suggestions for turning her into a useful party-member?

Second, are any of the party-members you pick up along the way suited for the 'Sword-Lord' class? Or do you basically have to roll up a main character/custom ally to access it? The requirements for it are... extensive.

[erian]

Originally posted by haplok:

Originally posted by Pink Eye:

Get point blank shot.

And Precise Shot. And Multishot. And Arcane Strike - remember to reenable it after every song/new map.

Actually dont.Even if you take all the combat feats she will still be crappy dd.Its far more usefull to take all those feats for skill checks(and lingering perfomance ofc) and use intimidation as autocast.

[BlackDragon]

Originally posted by Daidre:

Regongar is also most natural with Dragon Disciple. Actually 4 levels there is one of the best builds for him.

Best person for Aldori Swordlord is probably Jaethal. With 3 Inquisitor + 2 Aldori Defender fighter archetype she could be even ok. But not a Challeging+ material.

This leaves only Duelist and there is no proper character for it. There is pure rogue in the game but leveling this one on him will only cripple a character. Pretty bad PrC, it is a waste on levels almost on anyone, more or less decent only on Sword Saints.

I'm planning to class my MC into Dragon Disciple - he started out as a Sorcerer with Dragon Bloodline. Interesting idea about Jaethal - hadn't thought of that, even though I'd been pondering what to do with her in another thread. I figured that Duelist would be a hard one, though... I rather assume that Linzi won't do well there either! But that's fine - there are SEVEN Prestige-classes, after all, and only 6 slots in your party, so I can skip Duelist since it isn't great anyway. (Though, if I'd known, I might've rolled my main character as a Sword Saint... then I could've made Regongar a Dragon Disciple and Linzi an Eldrich Knight, and had a full set. :P)

[Daidre]

PrC in general has a wierd place in Pathfinder. Some popular PrCs was inherited from original D&D 3.5 but they are mostly replaced by class archetypes. And multiclassing restrictions and exp penalties were removed.

Also Pathfinder added a ton of class abilities dependant on class level and lvl 20 super-feats to stop people from rabid multiclassing, including PrC.

Wasted effort though, builds with 4-6 classes in P:K is even crazier than in NWN 1+2.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by BlackDragon:

Originally posted by Daidre:

Regongar is also most natural with Dragon Disciple. Actually 4 levels there is one of the best builds for him.

Best person for Aldori Swordlord is probably Jaethal. With 3 Inquisitor + 2 Aldori Defender fighter archetype she could be even ok. But not a Challeging+ material.

This leaves only Duelist and there is no proper character for it. There is pure rogue in the game but leveling this one on him will only cripple a character. Pretty bad PrC, it is a waste on levels almost on anyone, more or less decent only on Sword Saints.

I'm planning to class my MC into Dragon Disciple - he started out as a Sorcerer with Dragon Bloodline. Interesting idea about Jaethal - hadn't thought of that, even though I'd been pondering what to do with her in another thread. I figured that Duelist would be a hard one, though... I rather assume that Linzi won't do well there either! But that's fine - there are SEVEN Prestige-classes, after all, and only 6 slots in your party, so I can skip Duelist since it isn't great anyway. (Though, if I'd known, I might've rolled my main character as a Sword Saint... then I could've made Regongar a Dragon Disciple and Linzi an Eldrich Knight, and had a full set. :P)

No don't do that. Sorcerer into DD is kind of bad. Dragon Disciple is mainly to help melee builds. Sorcerers needs levels for spells.

[Daidre]

Sorcerer into DD is kinda excellent when it has both 4 DD and 10 Eldritch Knight. It is very melee and not much of the sorcerer though.

Some add +1 Scaled Fist monk and +2 paladin on top.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by Daidre:

Sorcerer into DD is kinda excellent when it has both 4 DD and 10 Eldritch Knight. It is very melee and not much of the sorcerer though.

Some add +1 Scaled Fist monk and +2 paladin on top.

But he loses out on his spells if he goes that route. Which, if you ask me, losing out on the cool op spells, is not worth it at all.

[Daidre]

If you are primary melee then spells are only for buffs and a bonus, not a main feature of a character.

Builds for cools spells are very different.

[Shadenuat]

Sorcerer into DD is kind of bad.

It could have been bad
although it's still not bad at all

but then Bite attacks also stack to around 5 per round which is hilarious
I soloed unfair rogue dungeon rooms with monk1/dd 10/sorc+

[BlackDragon]

Well... as previously mentioned, I'm going for an all-Prestige team, so... if I'm not turning my Dragonblood Sorcerer into a Dragon Disciple, what AM I turning him into? Eldrich Knight? That's just another melee-with-some-spells setup, which is the exact same thing as Dragon Disciple...

Here's a question - would a Sorc 9/M1/DD10 be a terrible build? All suggestions so far seem to cut off DD at 4, but he seems to get plenty of good stuff after that point too. Blindsense and feat at 5, Con+2 at 6, natural armor +1 at 7, and so on...

And incidentally, wouldn't Scaled Fist be a better pick than straight-up Monk for that one level? More thematic, anyway, and Draconic Might seems useful...

[Daidre]

DD does not have full caster progression in Pathfinder. It misses spell progression levels on 1, 5 and 9. So with DD10 you could never reach lvl 9 spells (caster lvl 18 for sorc). And unmodded game does not have feats to compensate it.

It also has medium bab, so no +1 bab on 1, 5 and 9.

So full 10 Dragon Disciple equally bad either for melee or caster.
Scaled Fist is indeed better. everyone usually mean this one for sorcs multies.

[Shadenuat]

u guys know DD is bugged and gives you extra bite attacks through levels right.

[BlackDragon]

Originally posted by Daidre:

DD does not have full caster progression in Pathfinder. It misses spell progression levels on 1, 5 and 9. So with DD10 you could never reach lvl 9 spells (caster lvl 18 for sorc). And unmodded game does not have feats to compensate it.

It also has medium bab, so no +1 bab on 1, 5 and 9.

So full 10 Dragon Disciple equally bad either for melee or caster.
Scaled Fist is indeed better. everyone usually mean this one for sorcs multies.

Hmm... so, DD4+SF1+Sorc15 WOULD reach Level 9 Spells? I DO like terrifying displays of destructive, magical might...

[Daidre]

Only if you have monk levels afair. There was some buggy interaction between biting tiefling, DD and monk too.

[Shadenuat]

I wouldn't say level 9 spells qualify for magical might. It's midlevel spells which are the best.

And yeah, without sneak damaging spells are a bit underwhelming anyway.

[Daidre]

Originally posted by BlackDragon:

Hmm... so, DD4+SF1+Sorc15 WOULD reach Level 9 Spells? I DO like terrifying displays of destructive, magical might...

Yeah, this one will get one lvl 9 spell at lvl 20.