scroll savant wizzard and wands/ item that give spells

[[JdG] Pejman]

DOes the scroll savant wizzard allow you to use the spells gained from wands/itemds with your own caster level? If not is there a class that allows this?

[Shadenuat]

Your boni do not add to scrolls and wands (like Spell Focus) so even if they grow in level they end up weaker than your spells. Similar with Wands. What is nice about rogue dungeon is that some new wands now come up (like 9th level Magic Missiles wands) so invest into UMD all da way.

Feats though? These are too important, keep them for Spell Focus, Spell Pen & Metamagic.

[Indure]

Originally posted by Autocthon:

Originally posted by InEffect:

I do not agree. If wands were usable while transformed - sure. As is? No way.

The "real" power of Wand Wielder is supposed to be the Staff use. Tabletop has magical staves that include up to 9th level spells, and the ability doesn't require that the spell in the item be on your list.... only that it's in the staff. The result is UMD becomes your casting stat and you can use any spell during spell combat that you can find a wand or staff for (including divine spells and 7th level orhigher)

But PF:K has no magical staves. So the ability seems much weaker than it is in the source material. And that's before factoring the meta-arcana being tripled in uses peer day.

The game need magical staves.

Perhaps i'm not understanding you completely, but this game has magical staves that allow you to use spells you don't know.

[Autocthon]

Originally posted by Indure:

Perhaps i'm not understanding you completely, but this game has magical staves that allow you to use spells you don't know.

Magical staves in this game (w/o modding) are a pale imitation of what they are in PnP.

A Staff of One hundred Hands or a Staff of Hungry Shadows is a source of powerful utility or useful damage for a Magus.

[Indure]

Originally posted by Autocthon:

Originally posted by Indure:

Perhaps i'm not understanding you completely, but this game has magical staves that allow you to use spells you don't know.

Magical staves in this game (w/o modding) are a pale imitation of what they are in PnP.

A Staff of One hundred Hands or a Staff of Hungry Shadows is a source of powerful utility or useful damage for a Magus.

Maybe, but they exist. I got two from Irlene:

Burned Oak (Quarterstaff +2. 2 uses of Fire Snake per day and unlimited Burning Hands.
Black Raven's Staff (Quarterstaff +3. Waves of Fatigue 3/day, unlimited Ray of Enfeeblement.

[Autocthon]

But they require equipping like a weapon in this game. In PnP magical staves can be held in one hand to serve as wands. And you can't spell combat with a Quarterstaff so... Still useless for a magus.

It would be considerably different if they were held in one hand.

[[JdG] Pejman]

Originally posted by Indure:

Originally posted by Autocthon:

Magical staves in this game (w/o modding) are a pale imitation of what they are in PnP.

A Staff of One hundred Hands or a Staff of Hungry Shadows is a source of powerful utility or useful damage for a Magus.

Maybe, but they exist. I got two from Irlene:

Burned Oak (Quarterstaff +2. 2 uses of Fire Snake per day and unlimited Burning Hands.
Black Raven's Staff (Quarterstaff +3. Waves of Fatigue 3/day, unlimited Ray of Enfeeblement.

i got twin seprents, but i dont remeber from where (unlimited magic missile), wanted to build something around it, but honestly it doesnt do anything, it just pings 3/4 damage tops each round

[Autocthon]

Originally posted by JdG Pejman:

i got twin seprents, but i dont remeber from where (unlimited magic missile), wanted to build something around it, but honestly it doesnt do anything, it just pings 3/4 damage tops each round

Well it should scale with the users caster level. It's not bad for say a wizard who has nothing better to do on their dead rounds. But it's not really a source of actual damage (caps out at 17 DPR)

[[JdG] Pejman]

Originally posted by Autocthon:

Originally posted by JdG Pejman:

i got twin seprents, but i dont remeber from where (unlimited magic missile), wanted to build something around it, but honestly it doesnt do anything, it just pings 3/4 damage tops each round

Well it should scale with the users caster level. It's not bad for say a wizard who has nothing better to do on their dead rounds. But it's not really a source of actual damage (caps out at 17 DPR)

it doesnt scale with caster level, it fires only as a lvl 3 wizard (i have a lvl 13 sorc sage)

[Autocthon]

Originally posted by JdG Pejman:

it doesnt scale with caster level, it fires only as a lvl 3 wizard (i have a lvl 13 sorc sage)

Hence why magical staves are trash in PF:K.