This vs. POE 1 or 2

[Onx]

I really really like the POE series. It to me is just very intuitive and easy to get the hang of. Is this of the same ilk? Is it more similar to it or dissimilar? I know I haven't given you much to go off of so do your best with it. Thanks in advance.

[Mork]

P:K is harder to learn for sure if you have no experience with DnD at all. This game don't hold hand and the rule set is HUGE but also rewarding to learn.

[dwarner]

Pretty similar. PoE has a learning curve for newbies too. But if you enjoy learning that's a plus. Same with P:K. Still learning (a lot) on sixth time through.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Buyer beware!

P:K is highly tedious and tiresome. Not only due to kingdom management. Mostly contains filler content, such as a world filled with tiny areas, unrelated to the story, each featuring only a single fight or a small dungeon. The beginning of the story is okay, then it falls into pieces. Story in PoE's The White March or the Baldur's Gate series is far better.

Perhaps give it a try and run the kingdom management stuff on "automatic" (which is not what I've done so far, regrettably).

[Eldrane]

Both great games, you can't go wrong with either given what else is out there IMHO

[Finrod]

I have played PoE1 till level 9, BG and PK.
The lower I would recommend is PoE 1 (for some things about combat system and the story... It didn't connect with me)

I prefer by far P:K, graphics and the Pathfinder system are really nice. Plus, we have a turn based mod that works great.
But I agree with D'amarr that kingdom management is absolutely tedious, sometimes logical decisions provoke riots and lower the stability and I didn't see it coming
If you buy P:K, in chapter 4 when economy reaches 6, DON'T choose to implement import taxes
Also the DLC wildcards is worth buying for the new race, class and the new NPC.
If you have Pathfinder questions, you can ask

BG is always good recommendation

PoE2 haven't played, cannot tell. It has a turn based option implemented by the developer

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Finrod:

I have played PoE1 till level 9, BG and PK.
The lower I would recommend is PoE 1 (for some things about combat system and the story... It didn't connect with me)

I prefer by far P:K, graphics and the Pathfinder system are really nice. Plus, we have a turn based mod that works great.
But I agree with D'amarr that kingdom management is absolutely tedious, sometimes logical decisions provoke riots and lower the stability and I didn't see it coming
If you buy P:K, in chapter 4 when economy reaches 6, DON'T choose to implement import taxes
Also the DLC wildcards is worth buying for the new race, class and the new NPC.
If you have Pathfinder questions, you can ask

BG is always good recommendation

PoE2 haven't played, cannot tell. It has a turn based option implemented by the developer

I love the kingdom management and haven’t had any issues. You can try Lawful your first play through to get a building that helps out a lot. As for taxes, as with RL citizens don’t like them - a wise ruler doesn’t raise them if he doesn’t need to, and you don’t. You’re swimming in cash from all the items you get.

[dulany67]

Ir's better than PoE1 and 2, IMO.

[Jekko]

P:KM>>>PoE1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PoE2

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by Valdr:

P:KM>>>PoE1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PoE2

God bless.

[Dixon Sider]

Originally posted by Valdr:

P:KM>>>PoE1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PoE2

This is very much true for me as well. P:K is the pinnacle of CRPGs

[SorenK]

Originally posted by Valdr:

P:KM>>>PoE1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PoE2

There's a lot to criticize about POE2 - I will make those criticisms myself, but the battle system and the variety of builds still made it fun. In addition, the saving grace for Pathfinder is the buff bot mod. I am big on QoL, and POE2 had a lot of that, while this game does not.

[Sabi The Worst Player Ever]

I finished first PoE with (almost) everything done that could be done and I was not very impressed.

Party/character building is non-existing, everyone ends up pretty much the same because devs were obsessed with "balance" to the point of nerfing everything fun. Engagement system is worthless as AI ignores it anyway so pure tanks are useless. Mages are somehow best tanks to add to the absurd soup.

Story quickly gets boring. Everything cool already happened in the past. You are just random person that appeared in wrong place and time and for the whole game basically save your ass and whatever you do doesnt matter in longer run. Your actions in expansion are actually important for a change, however. And dialogues are inflated to the max. I quickly started to skip 3/4 of them simply because of awful flood of descriptions. Remember anecdote about Chekhov's gun? PoE devs places whole armory on the wall without the point of doing so. I still had no problems with following story or solving quests so that kinda proves how worthless it was.

I didnt start Kingmaker yet but I can already say that PoE is completely overrated.

[Gregorovitch]

Originally posted by Valdr:

P:KM>>>PoE1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PoE2

^^ this, although I'd put a few more chevrons between PFKM and PoE1.

The kingdom management thing is a somewhat polarising issue. A few folks don't like it. However the are a few of things to note about it:

* it drives the whole narrative of the game. If it wasn't there each chapter would be unrelated to each other and therefore less satisfying. It is why the narrative of this game is several levels above what you get in PoE1 and even BG2.

* in order to deliver that depth of narrative it needed to involve complicated and tricky gameplay, otherwise it would be a deadweight borefest you'd be forced to click through mindlesly to get to the next part of the story (which is I believe more or less what you get if you put it on "automatic").

* it adds a lot of time pressure to your game which ratchets up the drama and tension beyond anything in PoE1 and BG2. You are constantly faced with difficult decisions over what you need to do now and what can wait for later. Failure to make reasonable decisions can easily mean game over.

That said, it's not that difficult if you follow certain basic principles (most of which are easily found online now) and if you are into roleplaying it's a great deal of fun. Being good at it is it's own reward. I highly recommend embracing it wholeheatedly as it is what elevates PFKM from a merely good game to a great one.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Originally posted by Valdr:

P:KM>>>PoE1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PoE2

^^ this, although I'd put a few more chevrons between PFKM and PoE1.

The kingdom management thing is a somewhat polarising issue. A few folks don't like it. However the are a few of things to note about it:

* it drives the whole narrative of the game. If it wasn't there each chapter would be unrelated to each other and therefore less satisfying. It is why the narrative of this game is several levels above what you get in PoE1 and even BG2.

* in order to deliver that depth of narrative it needed to involve complicated and tricky gameplay, otherwise it would be a deadweight borefest you'd be forced to click through mindlesly to get to the next part of the story (which is I believe more or less what you get if you put it on "automatic").

* it adds a lot of time pressure to your game which ratchets up the drama and tension beyond anything in PoE1 and BG2. You are constantly faced with difficult decisions over what you need to do now and what can wait for later. Failure to make reasonable decisions can easily mean game over.

That said, it's not that difficult if you follow certain basic principles (most of which are easily found online now) and if you are into roleplaying it's a great deal of fun. Being good at it is it's own reward. I highly recommend embracing it wholeheatedly as it is what elevates PFKM from a merely good game to a great one.

Best comment ever on this subject.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Originally posted by Valdr:

P:KM>>>PoE1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PoE2

^^ this, although I'd put a few more chevrons between PFKM and PoE1.

The kingdom management thing is a somewhat polarising issue. A few folks don't like it. However the are a few of things to note about it:

* it drives the whole narrative of the game. If it wasn't there each chapter would be unrelated to each other and therefore less satisfying. It is why the narrative of this game is several levels above what you get in PoE1 and even BG2.

* in order to deliver that depth of narrative it needed to involve complicated and tricky gameplay, otherwise it would be a deadweight borefest you'd be forced to click through mindlesly to get to the next part of the story (which is I believe more or less what you get if you put it on "automatic").

* it adds a lot of time pressure to your game which ratchets up the drama and tension beyond anything in PoE1 and BG2. You are constantly faced with difficult decisions over what you need to do now and what can wait for later. Failure to make reasonable decisions can easily mean game over.

That said, it's not that difficult if you follow certain basic principles (most of which are easily found online now) and if you are into roleplaying it's a great deal of fun. Being good at it is it's own reward. I highly recommend embracing it wholeheatedly as it is what elevates PFKM from a merely good game to a great one.

As always you know how to write some good stuff. God bless :)