Why is the Ring "Source of Invisibility" worth 25k gold?

[Gregorovitch]

25K gold value means this should be a pucker legendary item. Am I missing something?

OK, the spell it grants, Poison, knocks 1D3 CON off the victim every round for six rounds which could easily amount to curtains. But six rounds is a long time to wait for a victim to perish, and it can still hit you whilst you wait. I prefer targets to bite the dust in one round, or at the most two, or even better in the first attack of the first round.

So even if you have this "Invisible Thief" feat (or whatever it is) that gives you 8 instead of 3 shots of the spell, are you really ever going to favour this ring over even a basic AC booster ring, let alone rings that give bonuses to things that help kill stuff quicker?

Why should I keep this ring?

[Pink Eye]

>are you really ever going to favour this ring over even a basic AC booster ring
Rings of protections are over rated. Once you have access to the Shield of faith cleric spell you shouldn't be using those rings anymore.

>let alone rings that give bonuses to things that help kill stuff quicker
Ring slots should be seen more as utility. If you need rings to help you kill stuff, you're doing something wrong. If you need rings for AC stacking, you're doing something wrong.

[Gregorovitch]

Whatever, that don't explain why this ring is valued at 25k in my book.

[Pink Eye]

Gregorovitch eredeti hozzászólása:

Whatever, that don't explain why this ring is valued at 25k in my book.

I don't know either, but hey if it will make you feel better. I don't like how certain loot is priced in this game.

[Mork]

Spell like ability give them a huge boost in value, good or not. Sell it if you don't need it, stacking golds for later is kinda important.

[dwarner]

If you’ve played an Arcane Trickster you’ll appreciate it. You sleep with the ring on, use the charges, then you can swap it out for something else.

Play the game. There’s a lot of joy in discovery. On the other hand, if you need that 25k that’s good too.

[Grifta]

How is 25k legendary? For a ring, that's "Greater Medium Ring". That's the same price as a Ring of Evasion and even 8,000 less than a Protection +4

You're also missing a dozen details that determines the value of something. What is the CL? The DC on the poison? Does it do anything else? Is that a melee/ranged touch attack?

[dwarner]

Grifta eredeti hozzászólása:

How is 25k legendary? For a ring, that's "Greater Medium Ring". That's the same price as a Ring of Evasion and even 8,000 less than a Protection +4

You're also missing a dozen details that determines the value of something. What is the CL? The DC on the poison? Does it do anything else? Is that a melee/ranged touch attack?

It gives an Arcane Trickster 9 five more rounds of free action Greater Invis.

[Grifta]

Right, so as a free action, 5 rounds of +20 stealth, 50% concealment, and free sneak attacks. AND, the poison attack.

It's class specific, but 25k seems fine.

On the poison. 2 Con dmg = -1HP x HD, and -1 Fort. You don't need them to die from the con damage, the higher level they are, the faster it will drop their HP, and the lower fort save will soften them up. Con damage poisons are by far the most expensive poisons.

[dwarner]

A lot has to go right for the Poison to matter. The next level AT gets Surprise Spell so the ring reads “add at least 7d6, usually around 12d6, to your next Sirocco. You may use this ability five times per rest.”

[Dixon Sider]

Con damage also reduces fort. Fort is imo, the best saving throw to attack

[dwarner]

Dixon Sider eredeti hozzászólása:

Con damage also reduces fort. Fort is imo, the best saving throw to attack

Sure, sure but the Poison from the ring has to stick in the first place. Item spells tend to be low DC.

[Gregorovitch]

dwarner eredeti hozzászólása:

It gives an Arcane Trickster 9 five more rounds of free action Greater Invis.

What the description says is:

"This ring grants wearer ability to cast Poison spell three times a day as 7th level cleric. If the wearer has the Invisible Thief ability the ring allows them to use it for five additional rounds per day"

My Octavia has L8 Arcane Trickster at the moment so I haven't come across "Invisible Thief yet (I don't think, next level?) but given Greater Invisibility lasts 1 round/level, so for my Octavia 13 rounds per cast (and she carries three of them in my standard book), this ring bonus works out at the equivalent of one cast per day of Greater Invisibility lasting roughly 1/3rd normal time (at L13-15-ish).

Which seems incredibly measly and inconsequential to me. But maybe I'm reading this wrong.

Now if it meant five free casts of Greater Invisibility per day it would be more a case of "I say, Jeeves, this chappie looks like a bit of alright", but that's not what the text implies to me.

[Mork]

Gregorovitch eredeti hozzászólása:

dwarner eredeti hozzászólása:

It gives an Arcane Trickster 9 five more rounds of free action Greater Invis.

What the description says is:

"This ring grants wearer ability to cast Poison spell three times a day as 7th level cleric. If the wearer has the Invisible Thief ability the ring allows them to use it for five additional rounds per day"

My Octavia has L8 Arcane Trickster at the moment so I haven't come across "Invisible Thief yet (I don't think, next level?) but given Greater Invisibility lasts 1 round/level, so for my Octavia 13 rounds per cast (and she carries three of them in my standard book), this ring bonus works out at the equivalent of one cast per day of Greater Invisibility lasting roughly 1/3rd normal time (at L13-15-ish).

Which seems incredibly measly and inconsequential to me. But maybe I'm reading this wrong.

Now if it meant five free casts of Greater Invisibility per day it would be more a case of "I say, Jeeves, this chappie looks like a bit of alright", but that's not what the text implies to me.

Invisible Thief
At 9th level, an arcane trickster can become invisible, as if under the effects of greater invisibility, as a free action. She can remain invisible for a number of rounds per day equal to her arcane trickster level. These rounds need not be consecutive.

[dwarner]

It takes less than a round to cast a spell. When it resolves everyone dies and you turn it off.

You can’t do that with Greater Invis.

[Gregorovitch]

Mork eredeti hozzászólása:

Invisible Thief
At 9th level, an arcane trickster can become invisible, as if under the effects of greater invisibility, as a free action. She can remain invisible for a number of rounds per day equal to her arcane trickster level. These rounds need not be consecutive.

I suppose thinking about it next level Octavia will get 9 rounds of it, with the ring she'd get 14 (which is equivalent to one spell cast) with the advantage she can use only as much of it as required for the battle at hand. That could potentially last for several battles I guess. If it lasted for three battles that would equate to three Greater Invis casts which I concede is useful.

I can't see Octavia ever running up to a monster to poison it when she can simply incinerate it within seconds from a safe distance though.