Real Yakuza use gamepad

[ZWarrior]

I love that they have to tell M&K elitist to use a controller

[MeatShake]

Keyboard and mouse is for precision games like an FPS. Gamepad's for things where movement is emphasized and your character has weight like platformers and racing games or fighting games.

This is common sense.

[Al Benicio]

Honestly I never did that at all, never entered big picture mode or changed any settings, just connected the DS4 up and the game recognised it no problem. I've read folks are having issues with the buttons being swapped around as well but I did the karaoke song with the DS4 (that you have to do) with no problems either.

[Stoibs]

İlk olarak MeatShake tarafından gönderildi:

Keyboard and mouse is for precision games like an FPS. Gamepad's for things where movement is emphasized and your character has weight like platformers and racing games or fighting games.

This is common sense.

*Subjective opinion.

Anyway from what little I've played of this so far it seems to operate similar to like a Batman Arkham/Assassin's creed game as far as the combat goes - games that also work perfectly fine with M+K on my end.
It's not the genre that is the problem, it's when devs don't optimize or code a set of controls properly to use in conjunction with it. In this case the mouse camera movement is floaty and accelerated to hell and the mini games (Only tried karoke so far) are bound to some arbitrary keys in the middle of the keyboard for some reason. Would have been so much better if that rhythm game had me using the arrow keys or something instead of random letters.

[Kiffeh]

If I wanted to use a gamepad, I would have bought the console version.

[Chuck P]

İlk olarak landman tarafından gönderildi:

Big Picture. Allow dual shock 4 controllers. Solved.

Did that already, but it didn't work. I don't have a ds4 though, only ds2 and ds3. It recognizes my old ds2, works no problem and all, but the prompts remain xbox.

İlk olarak ZWxGunslinger tarafından gönderildi:

sorry I play pcsx2 on with a Xbox one controller I already know when it displays "X" it means "A" for my controller you need to program your self to remember that.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to train in karaoke until I can rewire my brain to think in xbox terms. Or until I can find an actual fix, which for all I know will never happen.

[Tiasmoon]

İlk olarak Nameless Gentleman tarafından gönderildi:

So why does everyone act like gamepads are some foreign plague for PC titles when gamepads have been around for a long time now?

Not everything plays well with mouse and keyboard, and not everything plays well with gamepads.

Beats me. Can't be PC elitism, since early on the Mouse wasn't supported for PC gaming either. Then again, maybe they are youn' ones' thinking being cool on PC is all about KB+M only or something. :P

Any serious PC gamer has atleast one controller of some kind as well these days.

[Stoibs]

İlk olarak Tiasmoon tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Nameless Gentleman tarafından gönderildi:

So why does everyone act like gamepads are some foreign plague for PC titles when gamepads have been around for a long time now?

Not everything plays well with mouse and keyboard, and not everything plays well with gamepads.

Beats me. Can't be PC elitism, since early on the Mouse wasn't supported for PC gaming either. Then again, maybe they are youn' ones' thinking being cool on PC is all about KB+M only or something. :P

Any serious PC gamer has atleast one controller of some kind as well these days.

Uncomfortable for me to use, has much less buttons, and most importantly for me I've never needed one before for any of the other 3 thousand or so steam games I have. I shouldn't have to go out of my way and make an additional hardware purchase when the platform's native inputs ought to be serviceably fine (and precedent has shown from a plethora of other similar genres that it can be)

I wonder what the general reaction would be if the shoe were on the other foot, and console games started to be released that outright belittled and mocked people for not having an optional Keyboard and mouse set of peripherals attached in order to play 'The right way' as opposed to the platforms native inputs that everyone already has and is familiar with.
I'm sure that wouldn't go down too well.

[Tiasmoon]

A mouse isn't a native input for a PC either. In fact, a Keyboard, Mouse and Controller all use a USB-port to connect to a PC as standard at this point. Meaning whatever you use as standard...is whatever you decide to buy as peripherals.

İlk olarak Stoibs tarafından gönderildi:

I wonder what the general reaction would be if the shoe were on the other foot

In what way? I already mentioned that initially computer gaming was done with Keyboard only. Just because you werent around then doesn't matter. A controller these days is little different from what a controller used to be: an extra peripheral that may or may not be useful for the game you are playing.

İlk olarak Stoibs tarafından gönderildi:

, and console games started to be released that outright belittled and mocked people for not having an optional Keyboard and mouse set of peripherals attached in order to play 'The right way' as opposed to the platforms native inputs that everyone already has and is familiar with.
I'm sure that wouldn't go down too well.

Who cares? I'm a PC gamer, not a console gamer. But like that even matters, since before a PC gamer, I'm still a Gamer.

Most of us just aren't as narrowminded about the peripherals or other hardware that's available for us to use.

[Stoibs]

A Mouse isn't native on the PC either? What am I even reading here?
I'm not talking about my Commodore 64 from the 80's which I'm well aware of thank you very much, I'm quite obviously talking about the here and now where a keyboard and mouse is unarguably and clearly stock standard peripherals to use with a PC.

All over the place there with the quoting and responses too mate.
I literally went on to explain what I was saying with the shoe being on the other foot in the following paragraph (which you even quoted). How about read fully before interjecting and interrupting with irrelevance.

You seemed to completely miss my point with that anyway with me bringing up the double standard of expecting one set of hardware to be used here, but if the same were reversed you just know it would cause an uproar.

You just seem to be wanting to argue for the sake of arguing at this point.
There's no reason for M+K controls to be bad on a PC port. Full stop.
Are you seriously trying to argue against and defend the opposition to this claim?
Really?
What sort of a "gamer" would do that, pray tell?

[Kamamura]

There is no such thing as "keyboard and mouse elitism", that is a total nonsense.

Certain types of games are best controlled with certain devices - those they were optimized for. 3rd person action games from consoles are best controlled by gamepads, I bought MS Xbox Elite controller for this special purpose and I cannot praise it enough. It's precise, durable and comfortable.

On the other hand, gamepads are terrible in first person shooters - you simply cannot snap-turn and aim with a gamepad like you can with a mouse, because wiggling with a thumb is simply not as precise as movements of the whole forearm.

However, when I draw and paint pictures for my dauther, I use a wacom tablet, because anything drawn with a mouse looks terrible, while drawing with a gamepad would be a pure masochism.

To conclude - each tool has its use. There are no "hammerists", "axists" or "sawists" among craftsmen. You reach for the tool you need for the task at hand.

And in case of Yakuza, a gamepad seems to work best.

[Stoibs]

İlk olarak Kamamura tarafından gönderildi:

There is no such thing as "keyboard and mouse elitism", that is a total nonsense.

Certain types of games are best controlled with certain devices - those they were optimized for. 3rd person action games from consoles are best controlled by gamepads

Once again, subjective.
When ported and coded right I prefer the opposite.
AC, Batman, Dark Souls have similar styles in combat and I can't at all play them comfortably with a pad.
Personal preference.

Not porting and implementing mouse controls properly shouldn't be a handwaving exemption for the devs (and the fans here seemingly) to excuse this and say that it "Doesn't matter anyway"

[negostrike]

Sega always have to ♥♥♥♥ up somewhere. Good game, but can't be arsed to make it play well with mouse and keyboard like thousands of other games.

[Shorty]

I love how triggered it made PC gamers, jesus calm the hell down, I thought console peasants were annoying (they're just misinformed) but PC elitists and their "I won't play any game if I can't use M&KB" is even more annoying.

[Stoibs]

İlk olarak Shorty tarafından gönderildi:

I love how triggered it made PC gamers, jesus calm the hell down, I thought console peasants were annoying (they're just misinformed) but PC elitists and their "I won't play any game if I can't use M&KB" is even more annoying.

Everywhere I read and the early reviews talked this up to be an amazing port.
I was disappointed and let down when I started playing that I was misled in this regard.

I so miss Total Biscuit and his proper reviews and analysis of PC games, R.I.P =(

[wolfqack]

"wah my guitar hero doesn't control well with this steering wheel"