Ragnarok is stupid.

[Izziee]

I don't remember starting with this weapon on PS4, I don't even know why I have it, and yes, I KNOW I don't have to use it, but it's ridiculously OP and feels like it makes other swords pointless.

[1nternationa7]

Originally posted by Entropie:

Originally posted by 1nternationa7:

Bring it to Costlemark and get wrecked.

Brought it there and had no trouble.

Given the resistances of the enemies there, that weapon is not ideal. It’s more of a handicap since there is so much better things you could be using.

[Entropie]

Can you give an example, specifically of a situation where a different sword type weapon would have done better?

[Bigbazz]

There are only 2 weapons that can substitute Ragnarok, people need to use their brains further than just looking at tooltip damage.

1. Durandal - Does massively increased damage vs Demons
2. Balmung - Highest tooltip damage weapon in the game but only obtainable when you have nothing else to do in the game essentially.

Sadly because Ragnarok increases warp damage by about a million neither of these weapons is even remotely close to Rag for warping. Rag will do 2x the damage of any other weapon when you warp.

[1nternationa7]

Originally posted by Entropie:

Can you give an example, specifically of a situation where a different sword type weapon would have done better?

3 Flame Giants at the same time. Skip the sword altogether and use Gladio. Warp strike spam against 3 giants will get you constantly swatted out of the air.

[CatPerson]

People who say other swords are better than Ragnarok don't understand what Ragnarok does. It's not about the listed attack damage in the UI.

Some weapons have special effects/attributes, which are described in often vague terms in the weapon description. A weapon may have lower +attack rating but do devastating damage in certain situations, like warp striking (Ragnarok) or Airdancing or against huge foes.

Raganrok does the 9999 warp strikes all day long with no food buff required.

Some of the late/end game swords will often do 9999 warp strikes as well, but typically that means you'd need to be using the all-crit. food buff as well as have a very high Strength on Noct. and still may not reach that against specific enemies that have very high dmg. resistance.

If one doesn't care about Warp Striking constantly tho, there are better swords. In the long run Ragnarok isn't the best for non-Warp damage. I personally don't care about using Warp Strikes 98% of the time, I find normal attacks/combos and Techs a lot more fun/interesting.

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

There are only 2 weapons that can substitute Ragnarok, people need to use their brains further than just looking at tooltip damage.

1. Durandal - Does massively increased damage vs Demons
2. Balmung - Highest tooltip damage weapon in the game but only obtainable when you have nothing else to do in the game essentially.

Sadly because Ragnarok increases warp damage by about a million neither of these weapons is even remotely close to Rag for warping. Rag will do 2x the damage of any other weapon when you warp.

I'm hitting at like 7.5/8K per strike with my Balmung at full MP. Guarantee my DPS is higher than someone warping about with Ragnarok.

[Entropie]

Originally posted by 1nternationa7:

Originally posted by Entropie:

Can you give an example, specifically of a situation where a different sword type weapon would have done better?

3 Flame Giants at the same time. Skip the sword altogether and use Gladio. Warp strike spam against 3 giants will get you constantly swatted out of the air.

For the record, I cleared the room with the 3 giants with rag phase strikes no problem, getting swatted out of the air is really rare even if you just button mash due to the i-frames that you get but if you are smart and go for their backs and maneuver just a bit there is little risk involved.

Also, picking Gladio is not in the category of "a sword that would have done better" it is an entirely different strat that has nothing to do with rags comparitive strength.

And yes I compared with Balmung, had high hopes back then but sadly it does way less phase strike damage still.

[Sishiya]

Originally posted by Entropie:

The game already has an easy mode and I did not select it and I am not in the habit of discarding a tactic just because it is too effective (and I am not complaining about the weapon ruining my experience, just pointing out that the game would be better off without it being put into peoples hands at the very beginning).

This is essentially a rehash of the old argument against easy access to overpowered items/difficulties in games. The arguments all boil down to "This item/ability/whatever ruins the difficulty of the game, thus my enjoyment, but I lack the discipline to forego using it. Instead, I will complain loudly that someone else, namely the developers, should remove this completely optional thing from me." If you find enjoyment in games being more difficult (and bear in mind that not everyone does), then don't use things that make it easier if it isn't necessary (and Ragnarok isn't at all necessary). If you DO decide to make use of those options, then own that decision; anything else displays a lack of character.

[Krampetak]

You think ragnarok is stupid?? How about them magitek exosuits then

[Entropie]

@Sishiya: Any yours is the even more ancient argument that whatever flaw the design of a game has it irrelevant and needs to not be adressed, if the player can just choose to not interact with that part of the game.

[Entropie]

Originally posted by MASTER PAIN:

You think ragnarok is stupid?? How about them magitek exosuits then

Indeed but that one was so obviously nonsensical I more or less ignored it automatically.
With the rag I assumed it would be an above the curve starter which gets outclassed in the midgame, who would guess that it just constantly stays the highest dps sword through the whole game.

[Krampetak]

Originally posted by Entropie:

@Sishiya: Any yours is the even more ancient argument that whatever flaw the design of a game has it irrelevant and needs to not be adressed, if the player can just choose to not interact with that part of the game.

It's a pretty good argument tho

[Faint]

warp striking is basically just the easy way out though... if you blindside or get a link in you do WAAY more damage than a few easy 9999's, I'm talking a couple 100k or so if you're endgame, Ragnarok is basically just a toy to cheese things with if you don't want to learn the fight mechanics

[Entropie]

Originally posted by MASTER PAIN:

Originally posted by Entropie:

@Sishiya: Any yours is the even more ancient argument that whatever flaw the design of a game has it irrelevant and needs to not be adressed, if the player can just choose to not interact with that part of the game.

It's a pretty good argument tho

According to the person who made it.

[Krampetak]

Originally posted by Entropie:

Originally posted by MASTER PAIN:

It's a pretty good argument tho

According to the person who made it.

Also according to me. I didn't make it.